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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

Monday, December 13, 2010

Thanks, and it's just a mini metaphor for abuse of power. I, of course, have no idea who is actually doing it. I prefer to think it's a rogue moderator, because it's been going on (and off) for days, seems to be tied to an hourly kind of work schedule. As you can see, there is no pundit's badge next to my entry above you, but on other threads, it's there. The rich text ability is gone, though. I really don't care about the badge (silliness), the rich text is nice, but the real problem is that now, whatever the reason, I'm not able to just type as any other commenter would -- With line breaks, etc. I've tried turning off the badges, but that doesn't seem to do anything either. Am I really the only person having these problems with HP's social networking system? I've noticed HP (no response) and asked openly (nobody seems to be having the problem), so I can only assume it's because I'm just such a threat to the power structure of the western world with my comments that they've had to make my comments more difficult to read. ;-)
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You sold yourself cheap. But, they know that's what desperate people do. That's how the Notzees managed to herd the J3ws into concentration camps, first by squeezing them financially into ghettos, making it impossible for them to work, and go to school, or even buy food, etc. This was not the right thing to do. And this was Obama doing it.
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The Tax Deal and the Apocalypse

Democrats and Republicans work on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. One side (Republicans) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric. Once in power, Democrats consolidate Republicans' gains from previous years, and continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertising campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what We, the People thought they were. Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigans and all the different ways they've been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republicans, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business. Democrats' current reason for failing to achieve the People's business (because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc.) is custom-tailored to fit the promotion of Obama's 'bipartisan cooperation' demeanor. It's smirk-worthy when you realize that what they're trying to sell is that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do...And their ineptitude, like that's somehow "a good thing". Obama's 'job', as he sees it, is to deliver to the top 2%. No amount of begging, imploring, wishing, pleading with Obama is going to move him off of that. Start shopping for 2012. And not in the Democratic Party -- It's been corrupted.”
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Draconian cuts, dearie. They're on their way. This isn't a compromise; this is a cave in. And these "middle class cuts" that you think are a windfall? They won't even pay for a fraction of what you're going to have to pick up due to lost government services. Wait until you see your car repair bills from the end of road repairs. It's trickle down now, lost services on not just the federal level but on the state level -- What the state can no longer do because they aren't getting money from the feds. But have no worries if you live in gated communities! Your roads will be taken care of, as will your police and fire services. Those are last on the list for cutting.
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I'm convinced that the powers that be, who are behind Obama (and Democrats and Republicans) are also behind her. Should she win, she'd be like George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, given a 'kitchen cabinet' to run the country. The abzurdity of it all is that it's just more of the same magnates who are behind the Democrats, who are behind Obama. It's all the same thing. All Sarah Palin is about is making money for herself and her family. She doesn't where it comes from. When she was a governor in Alaska, she was actually more moderate, and governed like Bush did when he was governor of Texas -- Texas Democrats had nothing but good things to say about Bush then. This system is corrupted, and the government is rotten to the core, and that's something I've never said before.
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John Boehner '60 Minutes' Interview: Future Speaker Moved By 'American Dream' (VIDEO)

And why should Boehner compromise, when Obama does it and surrenders the People's positions and resources? Democrats and Republicans work on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. One side (Republicans) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric. Once in power, Democrats consolidate Republicans' gains from previous years, and continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertising campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what We, the People thought they were. Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigans and all the different ways they've been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republicans, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business. Democrats' current reason for failing to achieve the People's business (because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc.) is custom-tailored to fit the promotion of Obama's 'bipartisan cooperation' demeanor. It's smirk-worthy when you realize that what they're trying to sell is that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do...And their ineptitude, like that's somehow "a good thing". Obama's 'job', as he sees it, is to deliver to the top 2%. No amount of begging, imploring, wishing, pleading with Obama is going to move him off of that. Start shopping for 2012. And not in the Democratic Party -- It's been corrupted.”
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

Democrats and Republicans work on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. One side (Republicans) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric. Once in power, Democrats consolidate Republicans' gains from previous years, and continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertising campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what We, the People thought they were. Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigans and all the different ways they've been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republicans, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business. Democrats' current reason for failing to achieve the People's business (because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc.) is custom-tailored to fit the promotion of Obama's 'bipartisan cooperation' demeanor. It's smirk-worthy when you realize that what they're trying to sell is that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do...And their ineptitude, like that's somehow "a good thing". Obama's 'job', as he sees it, is to deliver to the top 2%. No amount of begging, imploring, wishing, pleading with Obama is going to move him off of that. Start shopping for 2012. And not in the Democratic Party -- It's been corrupted.”
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

Republicans didn't do this on their own. There is nothing that Republicans can do without Democrats coming aboard. This was Obama's deal. This was Obama not doing what he could his position as president.
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

Oh, toots, don't blame this on Republicans. A lot can be blamed on them, but Democrats are their partners. They're all just covering each others' backs.
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Obama and the DLC is working hard to elevate the Tea Party and make sure that Sarah Palin is the nominee. If she is, what are you going to do?
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

So. Who here has parents, grandparents, living off of Social Security? When are they moving in with you?
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

The draconian cuts into social programs is next.
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

I wonder if Obama's getting Michelle diamond and pearl earrings to match the necklace this year for Chr!stm@s.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

No, you're wrong. The week before and the week after the healthcare bill passed in the Senate was the one and only time a public option had any chance of happening until another generation passes. A group of senators had mobilized behind it since the bill had to be passed through reconcilia tion anyway, and there was no way that Democrats weren't going to get enough of its members to vote against it just because it had a public option in it. Obama nixxed it. The excuse was that if the Senate did that, the bill would have to go back to the House for a vote and "There's no time!" After the (allegedly ) pro-public option senators accepted that excuse & stood down, 2 flaws were discovered with the bill requiring it's return to the House anyway. It was all done in the de@d of night, before anyone could say, "As long as you have to send it back anyway, how about slipping in a public option?" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/25/byrd-rule-sends-health-care-back-to-house_n_512609.html Obama's not only not for any kind of universal public health care, he'll do everything within his power to prevent it as long as he's in the White House. Because that was the deal that he made. And if you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-HyqnBbKI
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

These are phonied polls. You can get any result you want from a poll by what it is you ask and how you ask it. If it's presumed that the top 1% are going to get to keep tax cuts, if that's a given, then if the pollster asks, "Do you want to keep the middle class tax cuts" (and leave out all the rest of the deal, that it's going to destroy Social Security and Medicare, that millions who have lost their jobs get no extension of unemployment insurance), of course people are going to say, "yes."
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Have any other pundits lost their rich-text ability?
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I know you want to get the last word in, so I'll say this, and if you don't p!ss me off too much or say something so egregiously false I'll make this my last comment to you: Most "pragmatists" (mumble-idjits-mumble) are short-sighted and don't realize how they're flicking themselves over by selling themselves and everyone else short. For example, I am not gay but I know that if gays don't have equal rights and protections, I don't have them either. If they can be denied to gay people by those who happen to be sitting in managerial seats or any position of power, they can be denied to whomever the powerful decide to target next. I don't cross picket lines. Never have, never will. It's been a problem, but I have scruples. Others do cross them and justify it any number of ways, and they're living to regret it now (Walmart, lower prices, need I say more?). In my lifetime I've witnessed man's inhumanity to man, and knew it could happen anywhere, even here in the US, if certain conditions were met. I thought I wouldn't live long enough to see those conditions met. I was wrong. We're in dangerous times. You can't stick your head in the sand anymore and expect not to be called out on it. Not when you're throwing people, groups, other Democratic voters, under the bus. With the amount of money that the top 1% is getting, that the rest of us who are teetering on the edge are being stuck paying off, the only reason to leave out the 99ers (just one example) is pure gen0c!de. How out-of-touch must you be to support this deal?
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

HP has filters that cens0r commenters word choices. The way that most people who mindful of the filters (and which words the filters screen for) is to come up with alternative spellings. I'll take your apology off the air.
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And as no discussion on the internet is complete without the mention of H!tIer or N@z!s, I think you should read this. I wrote it a long while back, about the lessons of the past benefitting us, how they're the only things to save us, but first we must learn them. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Marcospinelli/richard-trumka-afl-cio-ch_n%20_503323_42475312.html
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Here's another example of the folly of 'pragmatists' & their ig.no.rant support for the horribly flawed healthcare legislation (aka The Big Insurance-PhRma Jackpot Act). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Marcospinelli/richard-trumka-afl-cio-ch_n_503323_42473911.html
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If 'pragmatists' believe they'll never need an abortion, like if they're not female, or post-menopause, or if they have the means & ability to travel to France to get an abortion (until the Chr!st!an rightwingers get it outlawed there, too), etc., then assaults on a woman's right to choose aren't 'deal-breakers'. If 'pragmatists' are employed, if they don't own a home (or if they do own a home & able to make mortgage payments), if they have healthcare insurance through their work, if they're young & living in their parents' garage, if they haven't had any significant health problems, if their parents/grandparents are dead, if their parents/grandparents are alive & supporting them (or not supporting them, & able to support themselves ), etc., IT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM. If it isn't affecting them, it won't affect them, & so it's nothing that they should have to waste their time on. Or in their 'bottom line'. There's nothing "pragmatic " about these people. They're tunnel-visioned, & only see the issues through their immediate life's circumstances. Some might say that they're in denial. Others might say they're selfish, "narcissistically-inclined". Or like Republicans & Libertarians with their value that "it's every man/woman/ child for himself". But it's certainly not a Democratic value. KEEP READING
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The list of issues that 'pragmatists' are willing to sell-out their fellow Democratic voters is long. If they're not gay, repealing DOMA and DADT doesn't affect them (or so they believe), so they tell those whose lives are being devastated by those laws, "Relaaaaaax, it's no big deal. Obama will get around to it (sometime in the next 8 years)." And if he doesn't, if it's 2016, nothing substantive has changed either legislatively or culturally (hom0phob!a still rampant, bullying continues, etc.), will 'pragmatists' still be saying about the Democratic Party's candidate, "He's with gays on these issues, and once in office he'll end discriminatory laws & practices, but he can't say or do anything now during the campaign or he risks losing the mushy middle or Republican crossovers who don't support it", as Obama's FISA vote in July 2008 was peddled to the Democratic base? KEEP READING
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

See here - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Marcospinelli/health-care-the-final-wee_n_499318_42281151.html
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Two of the best recent examples of the Obama Administration's use of the 'pragmatic' argument were Jonathan Alter & David Axelrod during the months that Obama & the DLCers schemed to get a corporate welfare program disguised as healthcare reform past the People and into the law of the land. See here - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Marcospinelli/health-care-the-final-wee_n%20_499318_42281151.html And here - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Marcospinelli/inewsweekis-alter-accuses_n_264374_29464605.html And here - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Marcospinelli/ed-schultz-takes-jonathan_n_385040_35963802.html And here - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/01/jonathan-alter-our-heathc_n_249280.html KEEP READING
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My favorite of all subjects: Pragmatism and the Democratic Voter. Yes, let's talk about the #1 obstacle to getting to what we thought we were voting for when we put Obama & Democrats into power, the 'Pragmatists'. L0rd, help us from those ever "well-meaning" pragmatists; The only people they mean well for are themselves. We hear about "pragmatism" a lot from Obama's 'most ardent supporters'. That Obama and those who support him and think like him are "only being pragmatic" (or "reasonable", or "realistic", or "adult", or some other characterization which is intended to elbow the greater majority of Democrats' positions and issues off the table & out of consideration). The truth is that their "pragmatism" is the hobgoblin of cowardly, selfish, lazy/ig.no.rant minds. 'Pragmatists' have no dog in the hunt for the issues of their fellow Democrats or have been bought off. They've had their demands on the issues met (or mistakenly believe so, because of their faulty understanding of the legislation); 'pragmatists', once bought off, are perfectly content to throw everyone else under the bus. 'Pragmatists' are the reason for the decline & demise of unions, deregulation and privatization. KEEP READING
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Only the richie rich's aren't livid about this.
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Tax Cuts For Rich Move Forward In Senate

The US Treasury Department is selling our debt to China, Saudi Arabia (which is turning around and supporting Al Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, etc. -- That's Hillary saying it, in the W!kileaks cables) and Iran. (Yes, Iran.) The Treasury Department has been doing this secretly, which it's allowed to do, sell to anyone secretly, ever since the Carter administration. The cart is off the wheels.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

Charles? I'm not asking you. I don't give a chit what you have to say. You're nobody. And your piping up? That's part of the problem. You and other s0ck puppets (I suspect a good number of you are political operatives paid to spread disinformation) spread false memes and information that wind up making people think Obama said it when he didn't. Here's a direct example of what I mean. You said something like this: "Laying at Obama's feet the failures of the congress is to ignore the realities of how our government operates. If there were Dem failures in legislatin g, they are failures of Nancy Pelosi and/or Harry Reid." Obama speaks out of both sides of his mouth. The fact of the matter is that Obama hasn't done what his job is, using the bully pulpit, shaping public opinion, pressuring the GOP to compromise, and says that it's not his job to write legislation, but then that's all Obama does -- WRITE THE LEGISLATION. And he writes REPUBLICAN-like legislation. Healthcare, finance reform, extending Bush's tax cuts --- ALL OBAMA'S DOING. Stop defending him. Yes, there's plenty of blame to go around -- He and Pelosi and Reid are playing 'Dodge Ball', delivering to corporations instead of the People, and doing it in such a way that they avoid looking responsible. But they are. And Obama, as the president and the head of the Democratic Party, is the #1 person to blame.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

Louis, this is your first comment since you've been registered here at HP how long ago??? What's your other account(s) at HP, Louis; who are you really, Louis? You know that this makes you a s0ck pvppet. This was not debated in town halls across the US. When Tea Partyers took over town halls, brought guns, threatened violence, Obama disappeared from the public discourse, said he was "staying out of it; it's Congress's job to write the legislation", and members of Congress cancelled their Town Halls. Obama didn't order out federal marshals to keep order at these public gatherings -- He did, however, unleash new son!c can0n weap0nry to Pittsburgh for use on peaceful protesters to the G2o meeting during the same period. After telling Americans that it was Congress's job to write the legislation (and after barring single payer advocates from the negotiations, and blocking a public option from being included in any legislation --- Since when did Obama get that authorization by the People?), Obama made secret deals with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries undercutting the congressional committees working on healthcare legislation. Obama is a corporate t00L. (And you're an id-jit.)
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

This isn't the first issue (healthcare, the public option, is another that comes to mind) that Ezra Klein has come out on the side of the DLC & GOP. He's very young, and I mean that more than chronologically (I think I'm almost 3 times his age). His naivete prevents him from seeing a bigger picture, the longer term, motives, having his own doubts raised, etc. By the way, do you know who else we're borrowing money from? In addition to Saudi Arabia (which is turning around and supporting Al Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, etc. -- That's Hillary saying it, in the W!kileaks cables)? Iran. The Treasury Department is selling us to Iran (secretly, which it's allowed to do, sell to anyone secretly, ever since the Carter administration). The cart is off the wheels.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

Louis, this is your first comment since you've been registered here at HP. That makes you a sock puppet. Who are you really, Louis? This was not debated in town halls across the US. When Tea Partyers took over town halls, brought guns, threatened violence, Obama disappeared and members of Congress cancelled their Town Halls. Obama didn't order out federal marshals to keep order at these public gatherings -- He did, however, unleash new sonic canon weaponry to Pittsburgh for use on peaceful protesters to the G20 meeting during the same period. After telling Americans that it was Congress's job to write the legislation (and after barring single payer advocates from the negotiations, and blocking a public option from being included in any legislation), Obama made secret deals with the insurance and pharmaceutical industries undercutting the congressional committees working on healthcare legislation. Obama is a corporate t00L, and you're an id-jit.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

First of all, I'm an OLD liberal Democrat; Rush Limbaugh and his world view may be part of your daily feed, but it's not anywhere close to mine. There are no cost controls in what Obama got on healthcare. And it didn't do anything about the fact that 19% of our gdp (19, not 18 - It goes up as we type) is tied up in an employer-based monopoly system. Nobody wants that. Obama's Afghanistan & Iraq policy is Bush's. That wasn't what he campaigned on. Ordering more drones into sovereign lands, k!IIing thousands of civilians, helping Al Qaeda recruit, making lots of new t3rr0r!sts is NOT the progressive foreign policy that Obama ran on. If Bush's tax cuts are a congressional matter (wasn't healthcare legislation, too, but that didn't stop Obama from making secret deals and undercutting the congressional committees working on legislation) what the flick is Obama making deals with the GOP for? The Democrats control the House, and there was and is much that Obama could and can do to get the deal that works best for the American people and not the richest 1% and the corporations. You not just a f00L if you believe that Republicans are in bed with corporations -- You're a d@mned war-mongering neoliberal DLC fooL. In other words, you're as Republican is it gets, without actually calling yourself one. How cowardly is that? .
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Senate Tax Cut Vote: Upper Chamber To Vote On Obama-GOP Deal

That's it. The House passed its version of 'middle class tax cuts' on December 2nd, so now the Senate's version goes with the House version to conference committee where Obama's version, his 'deal', will emerge as the reconciled version, and it will get j@mmed through into law in the de@d of night before the end of the year. Obama's tin ear to Democratic voters. Obama's tin heart.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

The White House doesn't care. The Senate just voted on this -- It's done. Now it moves to conference (the House passed its version of "middle class tax cuts" on December 2nd), where Obama's version, his "deal", will be the result and jammed through into law in the dead of night before the end of the year. Obama's tin ear. Obama's tin heart.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

So, it's over. The Senate passed the bill. Now it moves to conference (the House passed its version of "middle class tax cuts" on December 2nd), where Obama's version, his "deal", will be the result and jammed through into law in the dead of night before the end of the year. Obama's tin ear. Obama's tin heart.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

3 million foreclosures to date since this meltdown began; 11 million more are in the pipeline. This is going to spur new rounds of firings, foreclosures. Unemployment went up last month to 9.8%. Obama just finished negotiating the NAFTA-like treaty with S. Korea; more Americans' jobs will be outsourced overseas. The economy isn't improving, it's getting worse. What Obama's doing is presiding over the end game of America, and letting the 'Haves' pick the (our) bones clean.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

WHAT I DON'T WANT FOR CHR!STM@S: I don't want to hear chit from Robert Gibbs. Obama needs to hold a full court press conference (and none of his droning, long-winded answers so that only 5 or 6 questions with no follow-ups can get asked) to explain how he intends to accomplish what he promised voters in the 2008 campaign if they elected him to the presidency. Step-by-step. How do you get affordable , quality medical care for everyone with the healthcare legislation he shoved down everyone's throats? How do you get to repealing DADT? How do you end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (and Pakistan and Yemen and Somalia) and bring ALL the troops home? How do you end Bush's tax cuts in two years (as Obama wants us now to trust him, yet again, to let him kick the can down the road again another two years)? Obama's got a lot of 'splainin' to do. And I want him to 'splain it to a panel of these journalists: Amy Goodman, Laura Flanders, Matt Taibbi, Jeremy Scahill, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann, Glen Greenwald, Jane Hamsher, and a few others. I used to have Ezra Klein on this list, but after last week's Lawrence O'Donnell show where it was clear that he's been getting played by the Obama administration (Larry Summers has been taking advantage of Klein's youth and trusting nature); he's useless for getting to the truth.
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

If the audience wasn't screened, perhaps. I'd like to see Obama and other Democrats in office face a panel with Amy Goodman, Laura Flanders, Matt Taibbi, Ezra Klein, Jeremy Scahill, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann, Glen Greenwald, Jane Hamsher, and a few others.
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Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

Lowering the age of Medicare eligibility to 0 even simpler.
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Filibuster Reform Coalition Launches To Put Pressure On Senate

The aristocrats like their club just as it is. They like the power, they like the perks, they like that they are able to amass immense wealth at the expense of the rest of the nation, and they like having a job with lifelong tenure (or close to it).
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Gibbs' Comments On Sanders Filibuster Show White House Toning Down Cracks At Liberal Critics

I don't want to hear chit from Gibbs. Obama needs to hold a full court press conference (and none of his droning, long-winded answers so that only 5 or 6 questions with no follow-ups can get asked) to explain how he intends to accomplish what he promised voters in the 2008 campaign if they elected him to the presidency. Step-by-step. How do you get affordable, quality medical care for everyone with the healthcare legislation he shoved down everyone's throats? How do you get to repealing DADT? How do you end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (and Pakistan and Yemen and Somalia) and bring ALL the troops home? How do you end Bush's tax cuts in two years (as Obama wants us now to trust him, yet again, to let him kick the can down the road again another two years)? Obama's got a lot of 'splainin' to do.
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

Nader voters need to tell Democratic voters who spout such nonsense that Nader was as much of a spoiler as Al Gore was a spoiler robbing Nader of the presidency. If you really want CHANGE, if you really want politicians accountable to the People, you really need to get out of the lock-step group think that has you believing you have only the choices being pushed on you by the Establishment Elites. That's what you do to children, not to adults. You give children a choice between vanilla or chocolate. Parents who are raising conformist children, that is. Parents who are raising children to obey authority and not think for themselves.
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

You need to read this very carefully: 2000 was a stolen election. Al Gore won. Gore got more votes in Florida. Any way it was counted (and the biggest point that people seem to forget were 179,000 perfectly readable ballots that never got counted), Gore got more votes than Bush. Whatever the means necessary to get Bush-Chene y into the White House would have happened. Had Nader been in the race, not in the race, whatever. Had Nader not run the outcome would have been the same. The powers that be were not going to let Gore win, no matter what, and gamed it innumerabl e ways. If the means to getting Bush-Chene y into office required a close election and Nader not been running, some other means would have been used. For pity's sake, the CIA was working on GOP absentee ballots in the weeks leading up to election day in Florida. Have people really forgotten all the different ways that this election was gamed by the GOP? And that's just in Florida. And just the ways that we learned about because of legal proceeding s in the post-elect ion days. There was a coup d'etat in this country in 2000. A bIoodless coup, but a coup nonetheles s. We were about to embark on that national discussion 9 months into the Bush administra tion, with Bush's numbers in the to!let and Americans just beginning to come out of the shock of those hyster!cal post-elect ion days in Florida. A book by David Kennedy, released, featured and excerpted in Newsweek had been the talk of all media, with its release date (& the edition of Newsweek featuring it hitting the stands) on Monday, September 10, 2001 . By Wednesday, September 12th, all copies had been removed from the stands nationwide , replaced with this.
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

Bashing Nader again? Where do you get the idea that Democrats or Republicans are the only allowable candidates to run for office? That is what you're saying when you call Nader a "spoiler". Democrats and Republicans aren't 'owed' a clear shot at the office. Nowhere in our laws, nowhere in the Constitution, does it declare that "You have a choice between Democrats or Republicans, and nobody else". With your way of thinking, you enable Democrats to blow their constituents off (as Obama is doing now). I'm an old liberal Democrat, probably close to 3 times your age, politically active and connected my entire adult life, never voted for a Republican and probably will never vote for another Democrat again. That corrupt is the party.
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

No, no, NO! Administrations have NOT "conducted assassinations in one way shape or form for quite a while". This BS of pulling anything out of butt and presenting it as if it was a true blue gem has got to stop. You're k!IIing the country with this nonsense. Do you know what a meme is? Learn it and start communicating responsibly. It also wouldn't hurt you to get a copy of the Constitution, carry it around with you and read it once in a while, with special attention to the fifth amendment. That is, if you really want to get the country back on track, and especially if you want to be able to prevent the president from going ahead with his wacky idea of locking you up and/or k!lling you "just because", without your having committed any crime or having your day in court.
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

Eric Alterman summarized it well: "[T]he inescapable fact is that Gore was the genuine choice of a plurality of Florida’s voters as well as America’s. As the Associated Press reported in its examination of the NORC report, “In the review of all the state’s disputed ballots, Gore edged ahead under all six scenarios for counting all undervotes and overvotes statewide.” Gore beat Bush by almost every conceivable counting standard. Gore won under a strict-counting scenario and he won under a loose-counting scenario. He won if you counted “hanging chads” and he won if you counted “dimpled chads.” He won if you counted a dimpled chad only in the presence of another dimpled chad on the same ballot—the so-called Palm Beach standard. He even won if you counted only a fully punched chad. He won if you counted partially filled oval on an optical scan and he won if you counted only a fully filled optical scan. He won if you fairly counted the absentee ballots. No matter what, if everyone who legally voted in Florida had had a chance to see their vote counted, then Al Gore not George W. Bush, was elected president." http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-12-04/bush-v-gore-decision-looks-even-more-disgraceful-10-years-later/
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

Obviously yours (memories) are that bad. You seem to believe that Gore "insisted on the recount" AFTER the Supreme Court decision. Are you sure you want to stick with that? I have a sneaking suspicion that you never read the news reports, but got your belief that Bush got more votes in Florida from merely reading a headline or listening to Fox. You really had to read the whole articles, or better yet, the reports on the Consortium's counts. KEEP READING
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

Most people don't realize that Ralph Nader is responsible for saving more lives, improving the quality of more Americans' lives, than probably any other single human being alive today. I think they don't realize it because he's a humble man operating in an arena of turbo-charged political operatives, sharks, whose expertise is propaganda campaigns to prevent facts from getting to the consumer. I don't think there is a consumer protection group or political activist working on behalf of people that didn't get their start because of Nader or that can't be traced back to Nader, or connected to Nader. Nader is, quintessentially, what Americans think their government is for and about -- Keeping us safe and removing the impediments from our being able to grow and develop, become the best we can be both individually and as a nation, improve the quality of our lives and live the American Dream.
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Ralph Nader: Obama Will Face Primary Challenge In 2012

Why do you think Gore didn't carry Tennessee? What went on in Florida and Ohio and New Mexico and Pennsylvania, etc. (election fraud, ballot tampering, minority intimidation and disenfranchisement and voter purges) went on in Tennessee, too. I can't believe that ten years later, Republican operatives are still able to spout that nonsensical taunt and not be drowned out by the truth: That was a stolen election. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for not having the integrity and fortitude of character for allowing the People's instruments of democracy to be destroyed as they were in 2000. Once issues of tampering, fraud, etc., are raised, you can't make statements like yours, nor can the integrity of US elections be trusted any more. Your continuing to parrot the Iy!ng rhetoric of the thieves makes you a co-conspirator, an accessory to what was a crime against the American people, on the wrong side of history, and most certainly no patriot.
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Rep. Jim McDermott: Obama's Tax Deal Good For Trust Fund Babies, 'Unfair' To The Unemployed

"In the real world, Obama would have had to clear every point of the "deal" with the client before he committed to anything binding on the client."

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I think this is a good point to discuss. Obama's 'most ardent supporters' often defend him by telling critics, "he's not a dictator", "he's not a king", and yet that is exactly how Obama has approached his signature reforms like the healthcare legislation when he, on his own, eliminated single payer advocates from the negotiations and national debate, and a public option from the legislation.

In retrospect, it's clear that eliminating a public option from the final bill was the plan from before negotiations ever began, and cost-containment was never to be part of his healthcare reform.

When you say that, "Early on, the client would have figured out that Obama couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag", that's if you believe his intent was to do good by his client. I think he negotiates very well for his client; we've just been \hoodwinked as to who his client actually is. The insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

You don't (as Obama did) appoint Liz Fowler (shill for the insurance industry, ex-VP of WellPoint, and author of the Max Baucus bill which was, in the end, the bill that Obama got through into law) as Deputy Director of the HHS Office of Consumer Information (she creates the regulations and enforces the consumer protections in the bill) if you're serious about affordable, quality medical treatment for everyone. That really was the Obama ultimate act of gall (kind of like the man who has mvrdered his parents and then asks the court for mercy because he's "an orphan").

Imagine what Obama would be facing if, in the real world, he practiced law like this.
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