last year Obama proposed that the top tax rates be restored to the Clinton levels==========
I would if they didn't all go back to something YOU said, before. Do you not realize you're doing this? If not, how presumptuous and arrogant of you. Look, man. Nobody has all the answers, but the ones we do have should be based on sound logic and evidence, which is missing in many of your posts because your "facts" simply link to comments YOU made in previous posts. It's kind of odd, really.
refute all those Obama accomplish
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I have addressed them. For you to believe that site's claims means you really don't understand the issues and what Obama has and hasn't done. One example is the LilyLedbet
LilyLedbet
To begin with, claiming LilyLedbet
Obama & Democrats got into power on a pledge to change the way Washington works. Little is ever said or explained about what that really means. I'm going to attempt it:
By the time that elected officials manage to enact legislatio
With LilyLedbet
And it wasn't 45 years of Congresses trying to fix it. It was a year and a half. It was in response to the Supreme =Court's decision in 2007 in one woman's lawsuit. It's not going to affect millions, or thousands or even hundreds of others - Ironically
If you want to tout passage of Lily =Ledbetter then you're going to have to take the blame for not following it up immediatel
Read the Article at HuffingtonPost
Your links link back to your own posts marcospinelli....you r "points" supported by not facts
I linked to another post of mine because it has the point I was making along with the reference links to URLs with the facts that support my claims.
This was the link to my post that you're objecting to:
We already would have had a public option had it not been for Obama, with Pelosi's and Reid's compliance.
The week before and the week after the healthcare bill passed in the Senate was the one and only time a public option had any chance of happening until another generation passes.
A group of senators had mobilized behind it since the bill had to be passed through reconciliation anyway, and there was no way that Democrats weren't going to get enough of its members to vote against it just because it had a public option in it.
Obama nixxed it.
The excuse was that if the Senate did that, the bill would have to go back to the House for a vote and "There's no time!"
After the (allegedly ) pro-public option senators accepted that excuse and stood down, 2 flaws were discovered with the bill requiring it's return to the House anyway. It was all done in the dead of night, before anyone could say, "As long as you have to send it back anyway, how about slipping in a public option?"
Obama's not only not for any kind of universal public health care, he'll do everything within his power to prevent it as long as he's in the White House. Because that was the deal that he made. Those who believe that Obama's healthcare legislation is "increment al change", it institutio nalizes the insurance industry as the gatekeeper s to medical treatment (requiring having a job, too), which is something that everybody wanted to end. And there never will be a public option or any kind of affordable , quality medical care for all as long as Obama and DLC-contro lled Democrats are in office: "There Won't Be Any Public Option--Ob ama Never Was For It". Watch it and weep.
You keep proving my point, but I wonder if it Is possible for you to discuss this without going off on irrelevant tangents?
If where and with whom Richard Wolffe worked discredits him from being an authority on Obama's true position on a public option, then just about every Democratic operative and strategist (including high profile gangsters like James Carville, Bob Bechel, Pat Caddell, Lanny Davis) work with "the enemy" (Republica
Incidental
Now, if you'd care to deny his claim that Obama never wanted a public option, provide a reference.
Read the Article at HuffingtonPost
Also, unlike you, my standard for assessing health care reform is whether it allows people to see the doctor when they need to; already ACA is extending coverage and treatments to people who would have been denied not long ago. By contrast, your standard is whether it punishes insurance companies.==========
Since we're all anonymous here and the only sure way to measure who knows what, what's factual and what's not, is by providing links that support the points and opinions we post, would you say that the former congressma
Let's Put The Public Option To A Vote:
The elephant in the room during the president’s recent health care summit turned into the elephant that never got into the room. Despite a daylong back and forth about competitio n, costs and choices, the public option was hardly mentioned.
Perhaps the biggest mystery in Washington right now is exactly what happened to the public option in the health care debate.
Maybe when President Barack Obama left the public option out of his final package, he signaled the end of this popular idea that he had repeatedly said he supported. But his press secretary said the reason the president excluded it was that he thought the Senate couldn’t find 51 votes.
So does that mean the Senate killed the public option?
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said the public option had 55 votes in the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) himself said he supports the public option. And a letter insisting the public option be included in the Senate bill has gained more senators’ signatures every week (list of 51 Senate Democrats who support a public option).
Let’s not forget that the public option has already passed the House, as part of our health care bill last November.
We know that the American people didn’t bury the public option, because they are the ones who have resuscitated this common-sen se idea every time pundits and pols have left it for dead.
Public opinion polls bear this out. When the public option is described correctly as “like Medicare,” it is approved by more than 70 percent.
You can't just throw in whatever legislation you want at the time of reconcilia tion; you can tweak budgetary figures and that's about it. You can't introduce new policy initiative s.
You can't just throw in whatever legislation you want at the time of reconciliation; you can tweak budgetary figures and that's about it. You can't introduce new policy initiatives.
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