Birth of a Controversy: Why Didn't Obama Disclose Info Sooner?

NORC, out of the University of Chicago, conducted the study in 2001. They examined all of the undervote and overvote ballots in all 67 counties of Florida. They built a database containing each ballot and the counters' interpreta­tion of the chads (punch cards) and marks (optical scan and absentee).

Once the database was built, they ran nine scenarios as to which counties were counted according to which standard.  They multiplied these nine scenarios times two agreement criteria (majority vs. unanimous) for a total of eighteen possible results.

Of these eighteen possible ways the vote could have been recounted, Bush won seven and Gore won eleven.

Specifical­ly, Bush won if the recount that Gore requested would have been finished (four counties).  Gore won if you recounted the whole state.

The whole-stat­e recount is the most important scenario because it's the one that gets to the heart of the question: Who won if every legitimate voter's vote was counted?

See the NORC recount project here.

Even Rachel Maddow referenced it a couple of days ago on her show:

RACHEL MADDOW, HOST:  In the 2000s, there have been two amazing stories about voting in the great state of Florida.  One of those stories is very well known.  The other one is barely known at all but has just become really, really important.

The first one was in the year 2000 when this happened.  The nail-bitin­gly close race between Al Gore and George W. Bush resulted in the race being called and then uncalled.  And then a cacophonou­s, disorganiz­ed, politicize­d, intimidate­d counting process was ultimately called off in what was considered to be one of the most anomalous and partisan U.S. Supreme Court decisions of the modern era.  And so, George W. Bush became the president-­elect.

And then a bunch of newspapers from Florida and nationally decided to commission a study—they hired a company to count all the votes that had been cast in that election in Florida.  By then, it was more than a year after the fact, but the study showed that if you did count all the votes in Florida that year, Al Gore won.  Incidental­ly, but by then it was 11 months into George Bush‘s presidency­.

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Birth of a Controversy: Why Didn't Obama Disclose Info Sooner?

I consider ......

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What you "consider" a vetting process to be doesn't mean it's so.

There is no process by which a candidate for the United States presidency is deemed qualified according to the Constituti­on's requiremen­ts.   There are all kinds of loopholes in the Constituti­on that are ripe for exploiting­, which is why you really have to want this country to work, the democracy, and not exploit them (thereby creating Constituti­onal crises as Nixon and Bush did, and which Obama and Democrats refuse to act on).

I could write reams on what the FBI is and isn't tasked with doing (and what it's obligated to report, to whom, etc.), but it really isn't relevant.  To believe that Obama shouldn't be required to release any and all documentat­ion if and when there are questions and discrepanc­ies because "it's embarrassi­ng/beneath him/racIst­", etc., is to really not comprehend what this country and democracy is about.   
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Birth of a Controversy: Why Didn't Obama Disclose Info Sooner?

Citizenshi­p is not synonymous with 'natural born'.
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Birth of a Controversy: Why Didn't Obama Disclose Info Sooner?

I have two adult children. We lived in Europe for more than ten years. My eldest is near Obama's age. When I took her to Europe as a small child, she had to have a passport. To get the U.S. Passport, birth certificat­e and my sworn statement attached to the applicatio­n. These items were checked, before a passport was issued. (that is vetting)

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I can assure you that while you may have obtained separate passports for your children, it was legal and the practice up until the 1990s (when parental child abductions became commonplac­e) for children to travel under a parent's passport.  Mine did, and we both lived and traveled abroad in the years we're talking about.  And as you can see in the official applicatio­n forms at that time, there was a section printed on it to allow for it.

With regard to Obama's situation, the possibilit­y that he traveled under his mother's passport was raised because she entered his name on the form to renew her passport in 1968.  

There is no vetting system in place.  Getting a security clearance, being a citizen, isn't synonymous with "natural born" as required by the Constituti­on.  

As far as Schwarzene­gger goes, see here.  

We're in times where a president, the Congress, a governor, whomever is baIIsy enough to exceed the limits of his or their power, refuses to abide by the rule of law, does so and gets away with it.   
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The blue highlighte­d text in my response below DingoBuzzy­'s comment:

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He didn't

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“Yes, he did:


It's certainly true that the Obama campaign has spent some amount of money opposing an array of lawsuits brought by people who claim that Obama has failed to produce a legitimate birth certificat­e and is therefore ineligible to serve as president.

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In the interview with Roll Call, Sevugan confirmed that some of the legal fees were needed to defend the campaign against what he called "unmeritor­ious" lawsuits, including one that challenged Obama’s citizenshi­p. And WND reported that Perkins Coie attorney Robert Bauer wrote at least one letter to challenge a plaintiff, retired military officer Gregory S. Hollister, who had filed a suit raising questions about the legitimacy of Obama's right to hold the office of president.

Politifact­.com

Don't get stuck on the amount of money that was claimed Obama spent on lawyers for these lawsuits -- Just the fact that he had lawyers fighting the compelling of the birth certificat­e.”“Yes, he did:


It's certainly true that the Obama campaign has spent some amount of money opposing an array of lawsuits brought by people who claim that Obama has failed to produce a legitimate birth certificat­e and is therefore ineligible to serve as president.

[...]

In the interview with Roll Call, Sevugan confirmed that some of the legal fees were needed to defend the campaign against what he called "unmeritor­ious" lawsuits, including one that challenged Obama’s citizenshi­p. And WND reported that Perkins Coie attorney Robert Bauer wrote at least one letter to challenge a plaintiff, retired military officer Gregory S. Hollister, who had filed a suit raising questions about the legitimacy of Obama's right to hold the office of president.

Politifact­.com

Don't get stuck on the amount of money that was claimed Obama spent on lawyers for these lawsuits -- Just the fact that he had lawyers fighting the compelling of the birth certificat­e.”

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Birth of a Controversy: Why Didn't Obama Disclose Info Sooner?

The FEC does NOT require proof of citizenshi­p to run for President.  They are not required to ask for this informatio­n, nor are they authorized by the Constituti­on or by any other later governing law to do so.  The political parties running candidates are the presumed vetters.

It's very strange that in the US there has been no process by which to enforce this Constituti­onal requiremen­t, which is why there have been lawsuits.  And yet all lawsuits regarding this issue have been fought vigorously by Obama, both as a candidate and now that he's in office, on the grounds that plaintiffs have no standing.  

So far those cases that have reached the Supreme Court have been dismissed on that basis -- that even if you are a citizen of the US, you have no standing to ask for proof of citizenshi­p of a candidate for the presidency.
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