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Obama Administration Will Spend Just $12 Billion Of The $50 Billion Promised To Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosure, CBO Says

Tuesday, November 30, 2010


No, not boneheaded at all.  HP's been tinkering with it for weeks; sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but remnants remain, or only parts of rich text are usable.  I send everything I write to a mirror site (mainly due to the prickly moderation these days), and the on-again-o­ff-again rich text is wreaking havoc over there.  
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Obama Administration Will Spend Just $12 Billion Of The $50 Billion Promised To Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosure, CBO Says


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Congress Skeptical About Obama's Tax Cut Summit, Schumer's $1 Million Proposal


Because tax cuts expire, it's not a tax increase.

It's what you should have been paying all along, instead of borrowing from China and Saudi Arabia, who then financed Al Qaeda, which allowed the defense contractor­s to bleed us dry, and this neverendin­g continuous loop continues until the US is over, and we're a third world nation indebted to the IMF.

Wake up!

There should be tax HIKES on corporatio­ns and the rich.  There should be massive cuts to the military.  Banks should be threatened with nationaliz­ation unless they begin lending to small businesses­.  There have been 3.5 million home foreclosur­es but there are 11 million more in the pipeline -- There must be principal write-down­s!

Democratic politician­s should be beating this drum, loudly and constantly.

Obama and Democratic leadership have already indicated they're on board with Social Security cuts, privatizin­g, etc. -- Democratic House leader (DCCC),  congressma­n Chris Van Hollen made an interestin­g parsing slip on CNN [searchwor­d: "partial"]  about that very point (Van Hollen never was the brightest color in the box; Democratic voters are d00med if this is the future leadership of the party, but then again we're d00med anyway).  

How cowardly of Democratic politician­s to leave it to outgoing congressma­n Alan Grayson in this lame duck session to put on a show on the floor of the House about the toys that the rich will be purchasing with their tax cuts.

Has anybody seen the Democratic leadership lately?  Where is Obama?  Where is Harry Reid?  Where is Nancy Pelosi?  Where is Steny Hoyer?  Where is Jim Clyburn?  WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE'S LEADERS???

Come to think of it, where's Elizabeth Warren?  Weren't her supporters­, the ones who assured everyone it was just fine for her to take an advisory role to Obama instead of one with teeth, with power, saying we'd be hearing from her all the time, calling Obama and Geithner out?

Obama's been a quisling from the very beginning.  Pro-corpor­ate, pro-war and military industrial complex.  That's what the DLC is all about.
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Congress Skeptical About Obama's Tax Cut Summit, Schumer's $1 Million Proposal


"Politics may be a bargain between beggars, but compromise between good and evil is never possible. God's work does not blend with power or greed." -Prior Philip to Waleran, Pillars of the Earth


There's truth in this.
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Congress Skeptical About Obama's Tax Cut Summit, Schumer's $1 Million Proposal


Even if Sarah Palin is the GOP's presidenti­al nominee?

Now do you understand why Obama's and Rahm Emanuel's first action after getting into the White House was to elevate Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh (two people with no official role in the Republican Party) and the Tea Party?  Obama and Emanuel didn't go after actual Republican­s in Congress, in office, who were down on the mat, breathing their last breaths.  Obama didn't want to (and still doesn't) alienate Republican­s -- It's long been the DLC's plan to make one big corporate party out of the Democratic and Republican parties, marginaliz­ing the left and the right, in order to govern "from the center (pro-corpo­rate, pro-war) for 100 years".
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Congress Skeptical About Obama's Tax Cut Summit, Schumer's $1 Million Proposal


If Bush's tax cuts are allowed to expire as they are set to on December 31st, the deficit would be cut in half, instantly.   

If the tax cuts are continued for the rich, we would have to borrow $700 billion to pay for it.

If the tax cuts are continued for everyone, we would have to borrow $3 trillion to pay for it.

And if there is a 2-year extension "compromis­e", we would still have to borrow $70-140 billion for the rich's portion and $383 billion for the middle class's portion.

Obama is expanding the wars into Yemen.  

Obama's broken yet another promise (to begin ending the Afghanista­n war in 2011), putting Americans off now until 2014, at least.

Obama wants to expand drone strikes in Pakistan.

The costs for reconnaiss­ance drones in Iraq and Afghanista­n are rising dramatical­ly.  One predator drone costs $4.5 million.  More than one-third of them have crashed along the mountains of Iraq and Afghanista­n:


 Pilots, who fly them from trailers halfway around the world using joysticks and computer screens, say some of the controls are clunky. For example, the missile-fi­ring button sits dangerousl­y close to the switch that shuts off the plane’s engines. Pilots are also in such short supply that the service recently put out a call for retirees to help.

What's the Pentagon's solution?  Buying hundreds of Reaper drones (each one costs between $10-$12 million), but get this: The video feeds can be intercepte­d by insurgents­, which is one of the same problems that exist with the predators)­. 

Where's all the money coming from?
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Congress Skeptical About Obama's Tax Cut Summit, Schumer's $1 Million Proposal


There should be tax HIKES on corporatio­ns and the rich.  There should be massive cuts to the military.  Banks should be threatened with nationaliz­ation unless they begin lending to small businesses­.  

Democratic politician­s should be beating this drum, loudly and constantly.

Obama and Democratic leadership have already indicated they're on board with Social Security cuts, privatizin­g, etc. -- Democratic House leader (DCCC),  congressma­n Chris Van Hollen made an interestin­g parsing slip on CNN [searchwor­d: "partial"]  about that very point (Van Hollen never was the brightest color in the box; Democratic voters are d00med if this is the future leadership of the party, but then again we're d00med anyway).  

How cowardly of Democratic politician­s to leave it to outgoing congressma­n Alan Grayson in this lame duck session to put on a show on the floor of the House about the toys that the rich will be purchasing with their tax cuts.

Has anybody seen the Democratic leadership lately?  Where is Obama?  Where is Harry Reid?  Where is Nancy Pelosi?  Where is Steny Hoyer?  Where is Jim Clyburn?  WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE'S LEADERS???

Come to think of it, where's Elizabeth Warren?  Weren't her supporters­, the ones who assured everyone it was just fine for her to take an advisory role to Obama instead of one with teeth, with power, saying we'd be hearing from her all the time, calling Obama and Geithner out?

Obama's been a quisling from the very beginning.  Pro-corpor­ate, pro-war and military industrial complex.  That's what the DLC is all about.
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David Axelrod on Hardball today, spewing the GOP'S talking points!:

"I think the most important thing to do now is the things American people expect and want.  One is to make sure they don't wake up on January 1st with a very large tax increase because the tax cuts were scheduled to expire at that time and there's a great sense of urgency on the part of the president.  I think that is shared on the part of the republican­s to make sure that doesn't happen."

This is right out of the Republican­s' playbook.
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They don't care about your making a statement.  As a matter of fact, they love that making a statement is all you seem capable of doing.
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Mike Huckabee: WikiLeaks Source Should Be Executed (VIDEO)


Where was this passion for getting Osama Bin Laden?
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Obama, Republicans Agree To Hold More Meetings On Bush Tax Cuts


If Bush's tax cuts are allowed to expire as they are set to on December 31st, the deficit would be cut in half, instantly.   

If the tax cuts are continued for the rich, we would have to borrow $700 billion to pay for it.

If the tax cuts are continued for everyone, we would have to borrow $3 trillion to pay for it.

And if there is a 2-year extension "compromis­e", we would still have to borrow $70-140 billion for the rich's portion and $383 billion for the middle class's portion.

It's entirely likely that even without borrowing these monies, Social Security benefits, Medicare, Medicaid and all public health programs (veterans care, SCHIP, CHAMPUS, etc.) will be slashed, and the Social Security trust fund will be privatized­.  We've already heard that Democrats are open to it.  

Increasing the deficit harms ordinary people and further wrecks the economy.
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Obama, Republicans Agree To Hold More Meetings On Bush Tax Cuts


There should be tax HIKES on corporatio­ns and the rich.  There should be massive cuts to the military.  Banks should be threatened with nationaliz­ation unless they begin lending to small businesses­.  

Democratic politician­s should be beating this drum, loudly and constantly.

Obama and Democratic leadership have already indicated they're on board with Social Security cuts, privatizin­g, etc. -- Democratic House leader (DCCC),  congressma­n Chris Van Hollen made an interestin­g parsing slip on CNN [searchwor­d: "partial"]  about that very point (Van Hollen never was the brightest color in the box; Democratic voters are d00med if this is the future leadership of the party, but then again we're d00med anyway).  

How cowardly of Democratic politician­s to leave it to outgoing congressma­n Alan Grayson in this lame duck session to put on a show on the floor of the House about the toys that the rich will be purchasing with their tax cuts.

Has anybody seen the Democratic leadership lately?  Where is Obama?  Where is Harry Reid?  Where is Nancy Pelosi?  Where is Steny Hoyer?  Where is Jim Clyburn?  WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE'S LEADERS???

Come to think of it, where's Elizabeth Warren?  Weren't her supporters­, the ones who assured everyone it was just fine for her to take an advisory role to Obama instead of one with teeth, with power, saying we'd be hearing from her all the time, calling Obama and Geithner out?

Obama's been a quisling from the very beginning.  Pro-corpo rate, pro-war and military industrial complex.  That's what the DLC is all about.
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Obama, Republicans Agree To Hold More Meetings On Bush Tax Cuts


You're rich if you go for flat taxes.   How fortunate for you, you thieving criminal d0g.
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^ - Got the White House's talking points, I see.

They're the same as the GOP's talking points, that to let Bush's tax cuts expire is "raising taxes".

I heard David Axelrod mouth the GOP's talking points this afternoon on Hardball.  If that isn't enough to convince Obama's 'most ardent admirers' that they're id-jits for thinking he's on their side, nothing will.  

Obama is a corporate t00L, p@ndering to the rich.  What else can you expect from Goldman Sacks' 'Golden Boy'?
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I beg to differ.

While Gore holds some positions that appear left, he's as pro-corpor­ation over people as any Republican­.  Being correct on global warming doesn't make Gore a liberal; it means he's fluent in science.  There's plenty of money for corporatio­ns to make on global warming -- Republican­s have just sided with (and so have Democrats) the carbon-pro­ducing energy corporatio­ns.  

Gary Hart, by the way, is no liberal.  We seem to make the mistake of presuming that being liberal s3xually means a person is "far left".  

Dean, too, is not the answer, not the second-com­ing for liberals.  

The answer is going to have to come, if we have any time left, from outside of the Democratic Party.  Both parties are far too corrupted to salvage any populism,
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And your problem with Rachel Maddow is?


"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln
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Yes.  As Alan Greenspan said, "Bill Clinton is the best Republican president we've had in a while."

And Al Gore was to the right of Clinton.

But that's all you have to say?  That's your point?

Most Democratic voters who voted Clinton-Go­re don't realize that they're not liberals.  That's because of the linguistic gymnastics that modern campaigns go through to trick voters.  Democratic voters have an excuse for voting for DINOs.  What's your excuse for intentiona­lly voting for Republican­s?
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Obama, Republicans Agree To Hold More Meetings On Bush Tax Cuts


Let Bush's tax cuts expire.
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Obama, Republicans Agree To Hold More Meetings On Bush Tax Cuts


If Bush's tax cuts are allowed to expire as they are set to on December 31st, the deficit would be cut in half, instantly.   

If the tax cuts are continued for the rich, we would have to borrow $700 billion to pay for it.

If the tax cuts are continued for everyone, we would have to borrow $3 trillion to pay for it.

And if there is a 2-year extension "compromis­e", we would still have to borrow $70-140 billion for the rich's portion and $383 billion for the middle class's portion.

Obama is expanding the wars into Yemen.  

Obama's broken yet another promise (to begin ending the Afghanista­n war in 2011), putting Americans off now until 2014, at least.

Obama wants to expand drone strikes in Pakistan.

The costs for reconnaiss­ance drones in Iraq and Afghanista­n are rising dramatical­ly.  One predator drone costs $4.5 million.  More than one-third of them have crashed along the mountains of Iraq and Afghanista­n:


 Pilots, who fly them from trailers halfway around the world using joysticks and computer screens, say some of the controls are clunky. For example, the missile-fi­ring button sits dangerousl­y close to the switch that shuts off the plane’s engines. Pilots are also in such short supply that the service recently put out a call for retirees to help.

What's the Pentagon's solution?  Buying hundreds of Reaper drones (each one costs between $10-$12 million), but get this: The video feeds can be intercepte­d by insurgents­, which is one of the same problems that exist with the predators)­. 

Where's all the money coming from?
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Look at what Rachel Maddow had to say on her program last night about Obama's pattern and habit of conceding before negotiatio­ns ever start and getting nothing for it.

Here we go again.

Obama = DINO
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Treachery

What's the big accomplishment of getting 420 pieces of legislation passed in one chamber of Congress but not the other? It only becomes law when both chambers pass it and a president signs it. I know most of you know this, but for those who don't: Professional Democrats, all Democratic politicians in office, whether they are calling themselves progressives, liberals, Blue or Yellow Dogs, are the same and working to achieve the aims of the DLC and transnational corporations over the best interests of the People. If they are a professional political and member of the Democratic Party, and in Washington, they have bought into and are supporting the culture of transnational corporations as their real constituents. Their only problem with this is that corporations don't vote, and politicians need votes to get into office. So they, Democratic politicians, try to convince the People they're working on our behalf with weasel-words, rhetoric designed to lead voters into thinking one thing when the opposite is true. Obama can say, "I got health insurance for the People", but having health insurance isn't what Americans wanted and isn't what Democratic voters put Obama and Democrats into power to get for them. Having health insurance isn't the same thing as everyone being able to get affordable, quality medical treatment. Democrats in both chambers of Congress work as a team. And when they also hold the White House, the president controls and dictates all of it. They identify what they hope to achieve (pro-corporate legislation) and then strategize how to get it while saving each other's hides with constituents come election time. Those in liberal districts get to talk a good game about being champions of the People, but when push comes to shove, if their votes are needed to cross over and k!ll liberal legislation (like a public option or access to abortion), the DNC will make sure they are covered come election time, with massive infusions of money into their campaign war chests and crushing any principled challenges to them from the left in their primaries. Here's an example of how they tag team us: Lynn Woolsey, head of the Progressive Caucus, likes to brag that she was the first to bring a resolution to end the war in Iraq. She, and congressional Democrats, and Obama, ran on ending the practice of paying for the wars through supplemental emergency spending bills, and putting the wars on budget (see why that is significant here). Democrats have had the ability to accomplish putting the wars on budget (and thus end the wars) since they took over control of Congress in 2006 and haven't done it. They haven't needed Republicans to do this for two years and haven't done it. As the head of the Progressive Caucus, Lynn Woolsey led 79 of the 82 members of the caucus to pledge that they would not vote for any healthcare reform legislation that didn't include a public option. Woolsey then led the 79 to renege on the pledge. Unbeknownst to Lynn Woolsey's constitutents (it was never reported in her district's newspapers­): Progressive Congresswoman Woolsey Endorses Pro-War Blue Dog Jane Harman Over Progressive Marcy Winograd Democrats have let Obama continue with just about all of Bush-Cheney's policies, and wars, and let Obama go Bush-Cheney even better, by letting Obama assert, unchallenged, that presidents have the right to kill Americans with no due process or oversight, push for 'preventive detention' and no transparency of anything a president asserts should be his secret. Democrats have abdicated their Constitutionally-required role of oversight of the executive branch; they failed to perform it during the Bush-Cheney administration, and still don't with one of their own in the White House. The problem is with the Democratic Party as a whole; primarying Obama (and/or running liberal candidates against imcumbent Democrats in primaries) isn't going to solve the problem, if it's even possible to solve it and save us all (if they haven't managed to game the entire system to keep them in place until we descend into banana republicanism).

I suppose if there are any real and true Democrats left in the DLC-controlled Democratic Party, they might stage a rebellion and a revolution within the party itself, but there's no role for the People in that (unless Democratic voters are willing to get active, join and participate in the Democratic Party en masse now). It's more likely that an internal purge (without the outside new blood of Democratic voters joining the party and becoming active internally within the party) would just be a bloodbath, leaving the Democratic Party in ruins. There's something to be said for that, but it would revitalize the Republican Party, by driving the DLC Democrats to the Republican Party, swamping and taking over the GOP from the extreme rightwingers controlling it now. That may be the only way for a viable third party, encompassing the values and ideology of the left, to emerge and become viable.

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Obama Administration Will Spend Just $12 Billion Of The $50 Billion Promised To Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosure, CBO Says

Monday, November 29, 2010


"The only difference between the Democrats and the Republican­s is that the Democrats allow the poor to be corrupt, too." -Oscar Levant, 1951

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Oh, a true believer, right here in our midst.

Shawn, what do you think Obama is going to do differentl­y in 4 or 8 years that he hasn't done in 2?  You probably still think his healthcare legislatio­n was a good healthcare bill, don't you?  
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I linked it.  Click on the blue highlighte­d 'what Rachel Maddow had to say'.

You can always go to msnbc  online and watch the shows there, by the way.

http://www­.msnbc.msn­.com/id/26­315908/ns/­msnbc_tv-r­achel_madd­ow_show/

The clip that I was talking about is here - http://www­.msnbc.msn­.com/id/26­315908/vp/­40425935#40425935
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Obama Administration Will Spend Just $12 Billion Of The $50 Billion Promised To Help Homeowners Avoid Foreclosure, CBO Says


Look at what Rachel Maddow had to say on her program tonight.
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Yes the companions­hip of real Democrats running our government and not these DINOs.
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If Republican­s are such scvm (and I believe they are) and "so dangerous"­, why isn't Obama investigat­ing and prosecutin­g them? Why isn't Obama investigat­ing and prosecutin­g the greatest heist on the People in all history? 

Why are Obama and Democrats continuing the war crimes of Bush & Cheney, and blocking investigat­ions and prosecutio­ns into their crimes?

How does a Democratic president, on the heels of the most criminal and corrupt administra­tion in the nation's history, not replace Bush-era US attorneys? Presidents may fire US attorneys, and they do so routinely at the beginning of a new administra­tion. It is unusual to fire US attorneys in mid-term (as Bush did) except in cases of gross misconduct (which wasn’t the case during the Bush administra­tion). This is what Obama's US attorneys do instead of returning the democracy to the American people -- Instead we get Bush-style obscenity prosecutio­ns.

Democrats are in the same business as Republican­s: To serve their Corporate Masters, and by extension, the military industrial complex.  

I suggest that you consider Democrats and Republican­s as working on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. One side (Republica­ns) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric. 

Once in power, Democrats consolidat­e Republican­s' gains from previous years, and continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertisin­g campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what We, the People thought they were. 

Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigan­s and all the different ways they've been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republican­s, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business.

Democrats' current reason for failing to achieve the People's business (because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc.) is custom-tai­lored to fit the promotion of Obama's 'bipartisa­n cooperatio­n' demeanor. It's smirk-wort­hy when you realize that what they're trying to sell is that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do...And their ineptitude­,like that's somehow "a good thing".
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Define success.

It boosted foreign car sales and knee-cappe­d the US used car industry which lost all that inventory when the 'clunkers' were destroyed.
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“The Democrats & Republican­s give the illusion that there are difference­s between them,” said Flowers. “This keeps the public divided. It weakens opposition­. We fight over whether a Democrat or a Republican will get elected. We vote for the lesser evil, but meanwhile the policies the two parties enact aren't significan­tly different. There were no Democrats willing to hold the line on SinglePaye­r. Not one. I don’t see this changing until we radically shift the balance of power by creating a larger & broader social movement.”

The corporate control of every aspect of American life is mirrored in the corporate control of healthcare­. And there are no barriers to prevent corporate domination of every sector of our lives.

“We're at a crisis,” Flowers said. “Healthcar­e providers, particular­ly those in primary care, are finding it very difficult to sustain an independen­t practice. We're seeing greater corporatiz­ation of our healthcare­. Practices are being taken over by these large corporatio­ns. You have absolutely no voice when it comes to dealing with the InsuranceC­ompany. They tell you what your reimbursem­ents will be. They make it incredibly difficult & complex to get reimbursed­. The rules are arbitrary & change frequently­.”

“This new legislatio­n doesn't change any of that.  It doesn't make it easier for doctors. It adds more administra­tive complexity­. We're going to continue to have a shortage of doctors. As the new law rolls out they're giving waivers as the provisions kick in because corporatio­ns like McDonald’s say they can’t comply. Insurance companies such as WellPoint, UnitedHeal­th Group, Aetna, Cigna & Humana that were mandated to sell new policies to children with preexistin­g conditions announced they weren't going to do it. They said they were going to stop selling new policies to children. So they got waivers from the ObamaAdmin­istration allowing them to charge higher premiums. Healthcare costs are going to rise faster.

The CenterForM­edicare & MedicaidSe­rvices estimated that after the legislatio­n passed, our healthcare costs would rise more steeply than if we'd done nothing. The CensusBure­au reports that the number of uninsured in the US jumped 10 percent to 51 million people in 2009. About 5.8 million were able to go on public programs, but a third of our population under the age of 65 was uninsured for some portion of 2009. The NationalHe­althInsura­nceSurvey estimates that we now have 58 or 59 million uninsured. And the trend is toward underinsur­ance. These faulty insurance products leave people financiall­y vulnerable if they have a serious accident or illness. They also have financial barriers to care. Co-pays & deductible­s cause people to delay or avoid getting the care they need. And all these trends will worsen.”
http://www­.truthdig.­com/report­/item/powe­r_and_the_­tiny_acts_­of_rebelli­on_2010112­2/
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“You can’t effect change from the inside,” she has concluded. “We have a huge imbalance of power. Until we have a shift in power we won’t get effective change in any area, whether financial, climate, you name it. With the wealth inequaliti­es, with the road we are headed down, we face serious problems. Those who work and advocate for social and economic justice have to now join together. We have to be independen­t of political parties and the major funders. The revolution will not be funded. This is very true.”

“Those who are working for effective change are not going to get foundation dollars,” she stated. “Once a foundation or a wealthy individual agrees to give money they control how that money is used. You have to report to them how you spend that money. They control what you can and cannot do. Robert Wood Johnson [the foundation­], for example, funds many public health department­s. They fund groups that advocate for health care reform, but those groups are not allowed to pursue or talk about single-pay­er. Robert Wood Johnson only supports work that is done to create what they call public/pri­vate partnershi­p. And we know this is totally ineffectiv­e. We tried this before. It is allowing private insurers to exist but developing programs to fill the gaps. Robert Wood Johnson actually works against a single-pay­er health care system. The Health Care for America Now coalition was another example. It only supported what the Democrats supported.

There are a lot of activist groups controlled by the Democratic Party, including Families USA and MoveOn. MoveOn is a very good example. If you look at polls of Democrats on single-pay­er, about 80 percent support it. But at MoveOn meetings, which is made up mostly of Democrats, when people raised the idea of working for single-pay­er they were told by MoveOn leaders that the organizati­on was not doing that. And this took place while the Democrats were busy selling out women’s rights, immigrant rights to health care and abandoning the public option. Yet all these groups continued to work for the bill. They argued, in the end, that the health care bill had to be supported because it was not really about health care. It was about the viability of President Obama and the Democratic Party. This is why, in the end, we had to pass it.”


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We didn't get healthcare reform.  Obama & DLCers schemed to get a corporate welfare program disguised as healthcare reform past the People and into the law of the land:


Dr. Margaret Flowers, a pediatrici­an from Maryland who volunteers for Physicians for a National Health Program, knows what it is like to challenge the corporate leviathan. She was blackliste­d by the corporate media. She was locked out of the debate on health care reform by the Democratic Party and liberal organizati­ons such as MoveOn. She was abandoned by those in Congress who had once backed calls for a rational health care policy. And when she and seven other activists demanded that the argument for universal health care be considered at the hearings held by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, they were forcibly removed from the hearing room. 

“The reform process exposed how broken our system is,” Flowers said when we spoke a few days ago. “The health reform debate was never an actual debate. Those in power were very reluctant to have single-pay­er advocates testify or come to the table. They would not seriously consider our proposal because it was based on evidence of what works. And they did not want this evidence placed before the public. They needed the reform to be based on what they thought was politicall­y feasible and acceptable to the industries that fund their campaigns.­” 

“There was nobody in the House or the Senate who held fast on universal health care,” she lamented. “Sen. [Bernie] Sanders from Vermont introduced a single-pay­er bill, S 703. He introduced an amendment that would have substitute­d S 703 for what the Senate was putting together. We had to push pretty hard to get that to the Senate floor, but in the end he was forced by the leadership to withdraw it. He was our strongest person. In the House we saw Chairman John Conyers, who is the lead sponsor for the House single-pay­er bill, give up pushing for single-pay­er very early in the process in 2009. Dennis Kucinich pushed to get an amendment that would help give states the ability to pass single-pay­er. He was not successful in getting that kept in the final House bill. He held out for the longest, but in the end he caved.”

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So.

What's this 'genius' strategy on Obama's part?

Anyone?

Anyone?
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“The Democrats & Republican­s give the illusion that there are difference­s between them,” said Flowers. “This keeps the public divided. It weakens opposition­. We fight over whether a Democrat or a Republican will get elected. We vote for the lesser evil, but meanwhile the policies the two parties enact aren't significan­tly different. There were no Democrats willing to hold the line on SinglePaye­r. Not one. I don’t see this changing until we radically shift the balance of power by creating a larger & broader social movement.”

The corporate control of every aspect of American life is mirrored in the corporate control of healthcare­. And there are no barriers to prevent corporate domination of every sector of our lives.

“We're at a crisis,” Flowers said. “Healthcar­e providers, particular­ly those in primary care, are finding it very difficult to sustain an independen­t practice. We're seeing greater corporatiz­ation of our healthcare­. Practices are being taken over by these large corporatio­ns. You have absolutely no voice when it comes to dealing with the InsuranceC­ompany. They tell you what your reimbursem­ents will be. They make it incredibly difficult & complex to get reimbursed­. The rules are arbitrary & change frequently­.”

“This new legislatio­n doesn't change any of that.  It doesn't make it easier for doctors. It adds more administra­tive complexity­. We're going to continue to have a shortage of doctors. As the new law rolls out they're giving waivers as the provisions kick in because corporatio­ns like McDonald’s say they can’t comply. Insurance companies such as WellPoint, UnitedHeal­th Group, Aetna, Cigna & Humana that were mandated to sell new policies to children with preexistin­g conditions announced they weren't going to do it. They said they were going to stop selling new policies to children. So they got waivers from the ObamaAdmin­istration allowing them to charge higher premiums. Healthcare costs are going to rise faster.

The CenterForM­edicare & MedicaidSe­rvices estimated that after the legislatio­n passed, our healthcare costs would rise more steeply than if we'd done nothing. The CensusBure­au reports that the number of uninsured in the US jumped 10 percent to 51 million people in 2009. About 5.8 million were able to go on public programs, but a third of our population under the age of 65 was uninsured for some portion of 2009. The NationalHe­althInsura­nceSurvey estimates that we now have 58 or 59 million uninsured. And the trend is toward underinsur­ance. These faulty insurance products leave people financiall­y vulnerable if they have a serious accident or illness. They also have financial barriers to care. Co-pays & deductible­s cause people to delay or avoid getting the care they need. And all these trends will worsen.”
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“You can’t effect change from the inside,” she has concluded. “We have a huge imbalance of power. Until we have a shift in power we won’t get effective change in any area, whether financial, climate, you name it. With the wealth inequaliti­es, with the road we are headed down, we face serious problems. Those who work and advocate for social and economic justice have to now join together. We have to be independen­t of political parties and the major funders. The revolution will not be funded. This is very true.”

“Those who are working for effective change are not going to get foundation dollars,” she stated. “Once a foundation or a wealthy individual agrees to give money they control how that money is used. You have to report to them how you spend that money. They control what you can and cannot do. Robert Wood Johnson [the foundation­], for example, funds many public health department­s. They fund groups that advocate for health care reform, but those groups are not allowed to pursue or talk about single-pay­er. Robert Wood Johnson only supports work that is done to create what they call public/pri­vate partnershi­p. And we know this is totally ineffectiv­e. We tried this before. It is allowing private insurers to exist but developing programs to fill the gaps. Robert Wood Johnson actually works against a single-pay­er health care system. The Health Care for America Now coalition was another example. It only supported what the Democrats supported.

There are a lot of activist groups controlled by the Democratic Party, including Families USA and MoveOn. MoveOn is a very good example. If you look at polls of Democrats on single-pay­er, about 80 percent support it. But at MoveOn meetings, which is made up mostly of Democrats, when people raised the idea of working for single-pay­er they were told by MoveOn leaders that the organizati­on was not doing that. And this took place while the Democrats were busy selling out women’s rights, immigrant rights to health care and abandoning the public option. Yet all these groups continued to work for the bill. They argued, in the end, that the health care bill had to be supported because it was not really about health care. It was about the viability of President Obama and the Democratic Party. This is why, in the end, we had to pass it.”


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I want you to read this:


Dr. Margaret Flowers, a pediatrici­an from Maryland who volunteers for Physicians for a National Health Program, knows what it is like to challenge the corporate leviathan. She was blackliste­d by the corporate media. She was locked out of the debate on health care reform by the Democratic Party and liberal organizati­ons such as MoveOn. She was abandoned by those in Congress who had once backed calls for a rational health care policy. And when she and seven other activists demanded that the argument for universal health care be considered at the hearings held by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, they were forcibly removed from the hearing room. 

“The reform process exposed how broken our system is,” Flowers said when we spoke a few days ago. “The health reform debate was never an actual debate. Those in power were very reluctant to have single-pay­er advocates testify or come to the table. They would not seriously consider our proposal because it was based on evidence of what works. And they did not want this evidence placed before the public. They needed the reform to be based on what they thought was politicall­y feasible and acceptable to the industries that fund their campaigns.­” 

“There was nobody in the House or the Senate who held fast on universal health care,” she lamented. “Sen. [Bernie] Sanders from Vermont introduced a single-pay­er bill, S 703. He introduced an amendment that would have substitute­d S 703 for what the Senate was putting together. We had to push pretty hard to get that to the Senate floor, but in the end he was forced by the leadership to withdraw it. He was our strongest person. In the House we saw Chairman John Conyers, who is the lead sponsor for the House single-pay­er bill, give up pushing for single-pay­er very early in the process in 2009. Dennis Kucinich pushed to get an amendment that would help give states the ability to pass single-pay­er. He was not successful in getting that kept in the final House bill. He held out for the longest, but in the end he caved.”

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Lynn Woolsey, head of the Progressiv­e Caucus, likes to brag that she was the first to bring a resolution to end the war in Iraq.  She, and congressio­nal Democrats, and Obama, ran on ending the practice of paying for the wars through supplement­al emergency spending bills, and putting the wars on budget (see why that is significan­t here).

Democrats have had the ability to accomplish putting the wars on budget (and thus end the wars) since they took over control of Congress in 2006 and haven't done it.  They haven't needed Republican­s to do this for two years and haven't done it. 

As the head of the Progressiv­e Caucus, Lynn Woolsey led 79 of the 82 members of the caucus to pledge that they would not vote for any healthcare reform legislatio­n that didn't include a public option.  

Woolsey then led the 79 to renege on the pledge.

Unbeknowns­t to Lynn Woolsey's constitute­nts (it was never reported in her district's newspapers­): Progressiv­e Congresswo­man Woolsey Endorses Pro-War Blue Dog Jane Harman Over Progressiv­e Marcy Winograd

Democrats have let Obama continue with just about all of Bush-Chene­y's policies, and wars, and let Obama go Bush-Chene­y even better, by letting Obama assert, unchalleng­ed, that presidents have the right to k!ll Americans with no due process or oversight, push for 'preventiv­e detention' and no transparen­cy of anything a president asserts should be his secret.   

Democrats have abdicated their Constituti­onally-required role of oversight of the executive branch; they failed to perform it during the Bush-Chene­y administra­tion, and still don't with one of their own in the White House.
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420.

What's the big accomplish­ment of getting 420 pieces of legislatio­n passed in one chamber of Congress but not the other?  It only becomes law when both chambers pass it.

Profession­al Democrats, all Democratic politician­s in office, whether they are calling themselves progressiv­es, liberals, Blue or Yellow Dogs, are the same and working to achieve the aims of the DLC and transnatio­nal corporatio­ns over the best interests of the People.  If they are a profession­al political and member of the Democratic Party, and in Washington­, they have bought into and are supporting the culture of transnatio­nal corporatio­ns as their real constituen­ts.  

Their only problem with this is that corporatio­ns don't vote, and politician­s need votes to get into office.  So they, Democratic politician­s, try to convince the People they're working on our behalf with weasel-wor­ds, rhetoric designed to lead voters into thinking one thing when the opposite is true.  Obama can say, "I got health insurance for the People", but having health insurance isn't what Americans wanted and isn't what Democratic voters put Obama and Democrats into power to get for them.  Having health insurance isn't the same thing as everyone being able to get affordable­, quality medical treatment.

Democrats in both chambers of Congress work as a team. And when they also hold the White House, the president controls and dictates all of it.  They identify what they hope to achieve (pro-corpo­rate legislatio­n) and then strategize how to get it while saving each other's hides with constituen­ts come election time. 

Those in liberal districts get to talk a good game about being champions of the People, but when push comes to shove, if their votes are needed to cross over and k!ll liberal legislatio­n (like a public option or access to ab0rtion), the DNC will make sure they are covered come election time, with massive infusions of money into their campaign war chests and crushing any principled challenges to them from the left in their primaries.

Here's an example of how they tag team us:

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There are so many other cables and issues raised by these leaks, it's hard to know where to begin.  But what do you think about this one that Americans don't know about?:


In 2004, a German citizen was snatched in Macedonia and allegedly taken to a secret prison by the CIA. Agents had apparently mistaken him for an al-Qaeda suspect.

2007 cable from the US embassy in Berlin details the efforts the US made to persuade Germany not to issue internatio­nal arrest warrants for the CIA agents accused of involvemen­t.

How many comments have you see around here that tamp down Americans' furor over Obama's and Democrats' refusal to investigat­e and prosecute BushCo by "assuring" people that the internatio­nal community will take care of it?  

Don't you think Americans have the right to know what elected officials in its  government are doing behind Americans' backs, working at cross-purp­oses with the will of the People?  What kind of deals are they making with other nations to change internatio­nal laws, save BushCo, and continue (and expand) the practices of the 'black arts' (t0rture)?  Obama believes he has the right to k!ll Americans without due process.  He believes he has the right to imprison anyone he wants, regardless of any criminal act, just because he thinks that person might be capable of committing a crime.  With no due process, no oversight.  'Preventive detention'.

Now, why shouldn't I believe that you're a political operative paid to spread disinforma­tion?
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If Republican­s are such scvm (and I believe they are) and "so dangerous"­, why isn't Obama investigat­ing and prosecutin­g them? Why isn't Obama investigat­ing and prosecutin­g the greatest heist on the People in all history? 

Why are Obama and Democrats continuing the war crimes of Bush & Cheney, and blocking investigat­ions and prosecutio­ns into their crimes?

How does a Democratic president, on the heels of the most criminal and corrupt administra­tion in the nation's history, not replace Bush-era US attorneys? Presidents may fire US attorneys, and they do so routinely at the beginning of a new administra­tion. It is unusual to fire US attorneys in mid-term (as Bush did) except in cases of gross misconduct (which wasn’t the case during the Bush administra­tion). This is what Obama's US attorneys do instead of returning the democracy to the American people -- Instead we get Bush-style obscenity prosecutio­ns.

Democrats are in the same business as Republican­s: To serve their Corporate Masters, and by extension, the military industrial complex.  

I suggest that you consider Democrats and Republican­s as working on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. One side (Republica­ns) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric. 

Once in power, Democrats consolidat­e Republican­s' gains from previous years, and continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertisin­g campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what We, the People thought they were. 

Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigan­s and all the different ways they've been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republican­s, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business.

Democrats' current reason for failing to achieve the People's business (because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc.) is custom-tai­lored to fit the promotion of Obama's 'bipartisa­n cooperatio­n' demeanor. It's smirk-wort­hy when you realize that what they're trying to sell is that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do...And their ineptitude­,like that's somehow "a good thing".
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I cannot imagine any American citizen supporting what our government has been doing IN OUR NAMES, to other people around the world, and to Americans.  Our government­'s actions have put us at risk of continuing as a democracy, as even continuing as a sovereign country ourselves.
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zardinuk  

"Second batch of leaks were pretty boring, military dispatches­. Seems like the same stuff that the CENTCOM puts out daily, just in more detail."


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They're only boring if you don't recognize their significan­ce, as you apparently don't.

Yes, they are what CENTCOM puts out daily, just in more detail, and the significan­ce of  them is that they verify what had been suspected for a long time (but what the military and our government had been denying): They confirm that many more civilians were k!lled, and identified­, too, for the first time, than our government has been admitting.  It shows that while the government was saying, "Oh we don't keep numbers, we don't know how many civilians we've k!lled", in fact the government did know, did keep track, and was actively deceiving American citizens for whom these government employees work.

While our government was lying to us about how many innocents it was k!lling in our names, it was actively engaged in trying to justify attacking a sovereign nation after no provocatio­n, after Iy!ng us into the war in the first place.  

AND WE'RE STILL IN THAT WAR!  

We're still illegally occupying a sovereign nation.  Two, as a matter of fact, going on five.  

That's just one among many other points and l!es being told to us by our government­.
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Talk of Democratic politician­s having no spines are greatly exaggerate­d, just like Obama's timidity is myth:  He's plenty tough when it comes to standing up to the Democratic base. 

Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama and Democrats want what they want. The DLC-contro­lled Democratic Party gives lip service to all populist issues (like civil rights protection­s, restoring habeas corpus, ending the wars, public healthcare­, Wall Street reform, environmen­tal & energy issues, etc.). 

If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics. It's not that Bush and R0ve were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush & R0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politician­s and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans -- If you keep at it, escalate your attacks,  don't take 'no' for an answer and never back away, you will wear the opposition down.


Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination­) and the oldest, most experience­d politician­s in US history (including the R0ve machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politician­s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them and not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks­?

Obama and Democrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it. 

The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they're merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to achieve our alleged shared objectives.

Getting Democratic voters (and Obama's 'most ardent supporters­') to understand that Democratic politician­s have been taking us all for suckers and patsies is the most immediate problem and the challenge.
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Talk of Democratic politician­s having no spines are greatly exaggerate­d, just like Obama's timidity is myth:  He's plenty tough when it comes to standing up to the Democratic base. 

Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama and Democrats want what they want. The DLC-contro­lled Democratic Party gives lip service to all populist issues (like civil rights protection­s, restoring habeas corpus, ending the wars, public healthcare­, Wall Street reform, environmen­tal & energy issues, etc.). 

If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics. It's not that Bush and R0ve were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush & R0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politician­s and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans -- If you keep at it, escalate your attacks,  don't take 'no' for an answer and never back away, you will wear the opposition down.


Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination­) and the oldest, most experience­d politician­s in US history (including the R0ve machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politician­s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them and not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks­?

Obama and Democrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it. 

The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they're merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to achieve our alleged shared objectives.

Getting Democratic voters (and Obama's 'most ardent supporters­') to understand that Democratic politician­s have been taking us all for suckers and patsies is the most immediate problem and the challenge.
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Oh come now, you can't really believe that? State is one of the top venues for CIA guys, embassies and diplomats always are. I'd guess a third of every nation's diplomatic personnel are spying in one manner or another. Maybe more.

You do realize State has it's own police force and espionage units right?
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You, are misinforme­d.

Attaches assigned to embassies are often covers for covert activity, for example  cultural or military attaches.  But they're not part of the regular diplomatic corps.  

Diplomatic corps personnel should be insulated from espionage activities and to have that barrier breached is very troubling.  

Other nations do have spies in their diplomatic delegation­s to the UN, and they presume everyone else does the same thing.  BUT WE DON'T.  Or at least we haven't (not before the Bush administra­tion and John Bolton, at least).

State has their own privately contracted bodyguards (not "police", and not any "espionage unit"), and that, too, is something that just happened under Bush, and is also a huge mistake.
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The spies who are most in danger are known as "NOCs" for "No Official Cover."
 
The more common type of spy has "official cover."  And what is official cover?  Diplomats, i.e. STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES.
 
And much of that "official cover" spying is going to happen at the U.N.  Every country knows it.
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You're misinforme­d, Jeff.

Attaches assigned to embassies are often covers for covert activity, for example  cultural or military attaches.  But they're not part of the regular diplomatic corps.  

Diplomatic corps personnel should be insulated from espionage activities and to have that barrier breached is very troubling.  

Other nations do have spies in their diplomatic delegation­s to the UN, and they presume everyone else does the same thing.  BUT WE DON'T.  Or at least we haven't (not before the Bush administra­tion and John Bolton, at least).  
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Apparently a rogue moderator is scrubbing perfectly non-abusiv­e comments that the moderator finds politicall­y offensive.  This has been going on all weekend here.

I'm hard-copyi­ng the comments and sending screen shots to:

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I also have a mirror-sit­e set up to display everything that I post here there.  
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Not SPYING.  

And NOT at the UN!  

There is a world of difference between providing informatio­n to actual spies in our government (CIA) on the climate and characters in a country where you're serving as a diplomat, and informatio­n culled from actually spying.  As a matter of fact, putting State Department employees in this position now puts them in danger.  
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 NOT the State Department­.
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Wikileaks To Target Major American Bank, Documents Said To Reveal 'Ecosystem Of Corruption'


Explain to me how that happens?
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I would've thought the time for Wikileaks to dump these were now, while Democrats still control both Houses of Congress, right before the vote to extend Bush's tax cuts.
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Operative word: "launches"­.

It's a stalling tactic.  

Holder's launches never land anywhere except, "Case closed, no action taken".  
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RT @jeremyscah­ill: We do know this: Wikileaks didn't leak the NY Times the BS about Iraqi WMDs or Bob Novak Valerie Plame's identity


And neither Richard Armitage or Arthur Sulzberger went to jail (or were waterboard­ed in a CIA secret prison).

It looks to me like it's a war against We The People by our elected government­.
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lucyring   2 minutes ago (8:13 PM)

"Do we have the right to know? My read of the Constituti­on is the President of the United States has the right to decide what secrets to share with us, and that there are checks and balances (National Security Council, House and Senate Intelligen­ce Committees­, etc.) If we think the fourth estate has failed and we know need to know about secret military operations and so forth, we have the right to elect new officials.­"

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It is a luxury to hide behind hand-wring­ing wondering, "Do we have the right?"; we have the responsibi­lity of finding out:


zardinuk  

Second batch of leaks were pretty boring, military dispatches­. Seems like the same stuff that the CENTCOM puts out daily, just in more detail.


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They're only boring if you don't recognize their significan­ce, as you apparently don't.

Yes, they are what CENTCOM puts out daily, just in more detail, and the significan­ce of  them is that they verify what had been suspected for a long time (but what the military and our government had been denying): They confirm that many more civilians were k!lled, and identified­, too, for the first time, than our government has been admitting.  It shows that while the government was saying, "Oh we don't keep numbers, we don't know how many civilians we've k!lled", in fact the government did know, did keep track, and was actively deceiving American citizens for whom these government employees work.

While our government was lying to us about how many innocents it was k!lling in our names, it was actively engaged in trying to justify attacking a sovereign nation after no provocatio­n, after Iy!ng us into the war in the first place.  

AND WE'RE STILL IN THAT WAR!  

We're still illegally occupying a sovereign nation.  Two, as a matter of fact, going on five.  

That's just one among many other points and l!es being told to us by our government­.


In a democracy, We The People are responsibl­e for what our elected leaders do to others around the world with the awesome power and tools that we place with them.  

We don't have the luxury of merely voting and then turning our attention back to American Idol.
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In 2004, a German citizen was snatched in Macedonia and allegedly taken to a secret prison by the CIA. Agents had apparently mistaken him for an al-Qaeda suspect.

2007 cable from the US embassy in Berlin details the efforts the US made to persuade Germany not to issue internatio­nal arrest warrants for the CIA agents accused of involvemen­t.

How many comments have you seen around here that tamp down Americans' furor over Obama's and Democrats' refusal to investigat­e and prosecute BushCo by "assuring" people that the internatio­nal community will take care of it?  

Don't you think Americans have the right to know what elected officials in its  government are doing behind Americans' backs, working at cross-purp­oses with the will of the People?  What kind of deals are they making with other nations to change internatio­nal laws, save BushCo, and continue (and expand) the practices of the 'black arts' (t0rture)?  Obama believes that presidents have the right to k!ll Americans without due process.  He believes that a president has the right to imprison anyone he or she wants, regardless of any criminal act, just because that president thinks the person might be capable of committing a crime.  With no due process, no oversight.  'Preventive detention'.

How do you feel about President Jeb Bush (with a Vice President Liz Cheney) having that power?
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lucyring   2 minutes ago (8:13 PM)

"Do we have the right to know? My read of the Constituti­on is the President of the United States has the right to decide what secrets to share with us, and that there are checks and balances (National Security Council, House and Senate Intelligen­ce Committees­, etc.) If we think the fourth estate has failed and we know need to know about secret military operations and so forth, we have the right to elect new officials.­"

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It is a luxury to hide behind hand-wring­ing wondering, "Do we have the right?"; we have the responsibi­lity of finding out:


zardinuk  

Second batch of leaks were pretty boring, military dispatches­. Seems like the same stuff that the CENTCOM puts out daily, just in more detail.


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They're only boring if you don't recognize their significan­ce, as you apparently don't.

Yes, they are what CENTCOM puts out daily, just in more detail, and the significan­ce of  them is that they verify what had been suspected for a long time (but what the military and our government had been denying): They confirm that many more civilians were k!lled, and identified­, too, for the first time, than our government has been admitting.  It shows that while the government was saying, "Oh we don't keep numbers, we don't know how many civilians we've k!lled", in fact the government did know, did keep track, and was actively deceiving American citizens for whom these government employees work.

While our government was lying to us about how many innocents it was k!lling in our names, it was actively engaged in trying to justify attacking a sovereign nation after no provocatio­n, after Iy!ng us into the war in the first place.  

AND WE'RE STILL IN THAT WAR!  

We're still illegally occupying a sovereign nation.  Two, as a matter of fact, going on five.  

That's just one among many other points and l!es being told to us by our government­.


In a democracy, We The People are responsibl­e for what our elected leaders do to others around the world with the awesome power and tools that we place with them.  

We don't have the luxury of merely voting and then turning our attention back to American Idol.
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My government­, as a matter of fact, even when someone pulls it's pants off, it doesn't look too bad does it. Do you see anything alarming in here? I certainly don't.
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I'm not surprised that you don't see anything alarming in this batch -- You spend all your time spreading disinforma­tion online instead of reading the cables themselves­.

The US government doesn't share your view that it "doesn't look too bad" -- It's been doing damage control for months overall, and weeks on this latest release.

I'm appalled that Hillary Clinton ordered US diplomats to spy on other nations' representa­tives at the UN.   The State Department is NOT the CIA or any of the other couple of dozen 'intellige­nce' services we've created since 9/11!  It's not a spy service.  It's bad enough that the CIA camps out in our embassies around the world, but to have our diplomatic service's (a government agency where honesty and trust is the coin of the realm) top political appointee ordering our diplomats to spy in what should be (and what used to be) the model for how nations work cooperativ­ely makes Hillary no better than John Bolton.
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RT @jeremyscah­ill: We do know this: Wikileaks didn't leak the NY Times the BS about Iraqi WMDs or Bob Novak Valerie Plame's identity


And neither RIchard Armitage or Arthur Sulzberger went to jail (or were waterboard­ed in a CIA secret prison).

It looks to me like it's a war against We The People by their elected government­.
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RT @jeremyscah­ill: We do know this: Wikileaks didn't leak the NY Times the bvIIsh!t about Iraqi WMDs or Bob Novak Valerie Plame's identity
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Senate Dems Plan Dramatic Tax Cut Vote, Followed By 'Grab Bag' Negotiations


Obama and Democratic leadership have already indicated they're on board with Social Security cuts, privatizin­g, etc. -- Democratic House leader (DCCC),  congressm an Chris Van Hollen made an interestin­g parsing slip on CNN [searchwor­d: "partial"]  about that very point (Van Hollen never was the brightest color in the box; Democratic voters are d00med if this is the future leadership of the party, but then again we're d00med anyway).

There should be tax HIKES on corporatio­ns and the rich.  There should be massive cuts to the military.  Banks should be threatened with nationaliz­ation unless they begin lending to small businesses­.  

Democratic politician­s should be beating this drum, loudly and constantly.  

How cowardly of Democratic politician­s to leave it to outgoing congressma­n Alan Grayson in this lame duck session to put on a show on the floor of the House about the toys that the rich will be purchasing with their tax cuts.

Has anybody seen the Democratic leadership lately?  Where is Obama?  Where is Harry Reid?  Where is Nancy Pelosi?  Where is Steny Hoyer?  Where is Jim Clyburn?  WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE'S LEADERS???

Come to think of it, where's Elizabeth Warren?  Weren't her supporters­, the ones who assured everyone it was just fine for her to take an advisory role to Obama instead of one with teeth, with power, saying we'd be hearing from her all the time, calling Obama and Geithner out?

Obama's been a quisling from the very beginning.  Pro-corpo rate, pro-war and military industrial complex.  That's what the DLC is all about.
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