Spintested: 10/08/10

Obama Will Not Sign Bill Seen As Cover For Bank Foreclosures

Friday, October 8, 2010

Obama sure made some deal with Lieberman -- Here's one of the many 'services' Lieberman has performed for Obama:

After Obama flip-flopped (one of many) on an issue he campaigned on (transparency and releasing the thousands of t0rture photos of detainees), he used Lieberman to slip it into legislation that gave the SoD the power to gut FOIA and bury the evidence forever.

http://www.truthout.org/1022095

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143322/outrage:house_sneakily_passes_bill_banning_release_of_photos_showing _detainee _abuse/

Man, you galloped into that one; I almost feel sorry for you.
About Barack Obama
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

The credit goes to the activists who were paying attention and who made him do it.

That bill was fast-tracked to get to his desk and signed before anyone knew what was happening.
About Economy
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

Look, they're borrowing money at no cost that was supposed to go for job hires.

The problem is the Congress and the White House, both controlled by DLC-Democrats who are no better than Republicans, who have let banking lobbyists write legislation with no meaningful regulations and that hands out bailouts with no strings attached.
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

Sure you did.

Now take your frivolous, shallow self and play your tunes on another website.

You eat up bandwidth here and dissipate real conversations with nonsense OT blathering.
About Economy
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What issues do you see coming up in the next months leading up to the next campaign (2012), and what Democrats are and aren't willing to support to get votes?

What issues are important to you? For example, do you have any expectations of a public option being added to get real healthcare reform? If not now, when? Ever? How?

Do you hear any of them, any candidates, Obama, Biden, anyone, talking about concrete legislation they intend to pass to get people jobs?
About Economy
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

What do you think Obama is going to do after the election in just a few weeks if Republicans take control of one or both Houses of Congress?

Do you think he'll veto the legislation they pass (through reconciliation and every other means they can manage)? Do you think Obama will take to the bully pulpit, urge Americans to bury Republicans in email, phone calls, snail mail, and urge Democrats to block Republicans every way possible?

Or do you think that Obama's going to be making deal after deal with them, spinning what he can as somehow "Good for the People and Democrats", and/or, "I'm president of all the People, and the People in their infinite wisdom put Republicans in the majority, so I must honor their wishes and work with Republicans, and not try to obstruct their will"?

And if Democrats keep control of Congress? Do you think Obama's going to continue trying to work in a "bipartisan manner" with Republicans, keep flip-flopping on his campaign promises, and say that the election was a referendum on his trying "change the tone in Washington", and voters want him to do more of the same?
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

^ - The DLC-controlled Democrats are no different than Republicans.

And as we all know, BillLoney, you're a paid tr0ll for them.

When you grow a soul, BillLoney, the heavens will part, BillLoney. But I'm not betting that's going to happen any time soon.
About Economy
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

Americans are losing our jobs, our homes, our Social Security, Medicare, police, firemen, teachers, & going into debt to China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, (even our grandchildren won't be able to pay it off), for wars to protect & increase the riches that Americans don't derive any benefit from (an oil pipeline & mineral riches in Afghanistan, not to mention the oil contracts in Iraq). These are riches that ordinary Americans don't get profits from, but that the Establishment Elites (Dick Cheney & the Bush family among them) all are getting rich(er) from.

A few weeks ago, Rachel Maddow walked the dusty, garbage-strewn streets of Afghanistan with RIchard Engel to see what exporting US-style democracy means, and what US nation-building actually builds. Watch this to see where are our tax dollars going, and learn how we are not "nation-building", not making us safer, and not helping the Afghans or building their nation at all (or a democracy). Learn how this has all been just a huge rip-off of the American people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR5BHnN__5M

This is all going on under Obama and a Democratically-controlled Congress that has a bigger arsenal of t00Is available to them as the majority in power, controlling both chambers of Congress and the White House, than Republicans have as the minority.
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

Candidate Obama, October 2008:

"If we've learned anything from this economic crisis, it's that we're all connected; we're all in this together; and we will rise or fall as one nation as one people. The rescue plan that passed the Congress was a necessary first step to easing this credit crisis, but if we're going to rebuild this economy from the bottom up, we need an immediate rescue plan for the middle-class, and that's what I will do as President of the United States".

I've proposed a new American jobs tax credit for each new employee that companies hire here in the United States over the next two years. I'll stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas and invest in companies that create good jobs right here in Colorado.

I won't let banks and lenders off the hook when it was their greed and irresponsibility that got us into this mess. We should not be bailing out Wall Street; we should be restoring opportunity on Main Street.

For the last eight years, we have tried it John McCain's way. We have tried it George Bush's way. We've given more and more to those with the most and hoped that prosperity would trickle down to everyone else. And guess what? It didn't. So it's time to try something new. It's time to grow this economy by investing in the middle class again."
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

Candidate Obama, February 2008:

"We have to stop providing tax breaks for companies that are shipping jobs overseas and give those tax breaks to companies that are investing here in the United States of America," Obama said in during a debate with rival Senator Hillary Clinton in Cleveland, Ohio.

The Illinois Senator said he would ensure that every pact the US signs has environmental, safety and labour standards to protect workers and consumers alike.

"We can't have toys with lead paint in them that our children are playing with. We can't have medicines that are actually making people more sick instead of better because they're produced overseas," Obama said.

"The problem is we've been negotiating just looking at corporate profits and what's good for multinationals; as President, what I want to be is an advocate on behalf of workers".

http://www.rediff.com/money/2008/feb/27bpo.htm
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Employers Continue to Discriminate Against Jobless, Think 'The Best People Are Already Working'

The solution is to get real Democrats into office, and not DLC-Democrats.

Obama, RahmEmanuel, the DLC, DavidAxelrod, DavidPlouffe, all have worked their @$$es off to prevent real progressives getting into office.

One example right off the bat is Blanche Lincoln.

The White House put its full weight & support behind Blanche Lincoln over the true progressive (& union-backed) candidate in the primary, Bill Halter.

This wasn't unlike when Obama made a deal with Arlen Specter and put the full weight and support of the Democratic machine behind Specter during the 2010 primary in Pennsylvania, trying to buy off (among other alternative candidates Democratic voters in PA might have wanted to vote to have representing them) Joe Sestak. Consider that -- Obama actively went about trying to prevent Democratic voters from choosing their preferred candidate for the US so that a DINO, Republican Arlen Specter, could retain the seat.

Blanche Lincoln is 40 points down behind the GOP candidate John Boozman.

Guess who could beat Boozman in Arkansas? BillHalter. Because, like just about all Americans, Arkansans would prefer an authentic, likable candidate, even if it's a progressive.

But more progressives in Congress means real populist legislation getting passed into law. Real reform bills, that re-regulate banks and big business. Real stimulus bills, with jobs creation, green clean energy development, and more.

But that's not who or what Obama and the DLC-controlled Democrats are about.
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Obama Will Not Sign Bill Seen As Cover For Bank Foreclosures

Harry Reid cut a deal less than 48 hours after this bill was passed by voice vote with Mitch McConnell who wanted to prevent Obama making any recess appointments during the recess when Congress goes home to campaign and vote by keeping the senate unadjourned, in session pro forma. It was seen at the time as another of Reid's spineless moves, for why would he help McConnell block Obama? The number of 'gimmes' that Reid got in exchange was nominal. With this notary bill, we may have the explanation now for why Reid did it.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025928.php

The senate defines everything that it does, and can choose to ignore itself or not. With this much negative attention focused on what looks to be legislation that Democrats and Republicans hoped would just sneak past everyone's notice, Democrats may choose to ignore that they were, legally, in session and that Obama's not signing it means it becomes law.

We shall see how they choose to deal with this.

It'll be especially interesting if in the near to intermediate future (sometime after this coming election but before the 2012 election) the bill is reintroduced and passed in a similarly sneaky way, and in the cover of darkness. That is how Obama's gotten many of his Bush-like policies through.

For this to have passed as it did, it took a whole lot of politicians making "innocent" mistakes, the statistically possibility of which lacks any credulity.
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Obama Will Not Sign Bill Seen As Cover For Bank Foreclosures

The rule of law requires precision in the definitions of words and phrases.

Politicians live and d!e by playing with and bending those words and their definitions.

Pocket Veto: The Constitution grants the President 10 days to review a measure passed by the Congress. If the President has not signed the bill after 10 days, it becomes law without his signature. However, if Congress adjourns during the 10-day period, the bill does not become law.

Adjourn: A motion to adjourn in the Senate (or a committee) ends that day's session.

Adjournment Sine Die: The end of a legislative session "without day." These adjournments are used to indicate the final adjournment of an annual or the two-year session of a Congress.

Adjournment to a day and time certain: An adjournment of the Senate that fixes the day and time for its next session.

Adjourn for more than 3 days: Under the Constitution, neither chamber may adjourn for more than three days without the approval of the other. Such approval is obtained in a concurrent resolution approved by both chambers.

Recess: A temporary interruption of the Senate's (or a committee's) business. Generally, the Senate recesses (rather than adjourns) at the end of each calendar day.

KEEP READING
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

How am I the one making "an awful lot of assumptions" when you're the one claiming to be able to both read his mind ("you can bet Sanders and all Senators are aware of the substance of the bill")

By the way, how do you know that Sanders wasn't on the floor late in the day when that vote happened? I do know he was on the floor earlier in the day.

HP's is not the only analysis that has this bill putting the banks' interests above the People's -- Consumer advocates and other populist groups agree, and it's the basis for why Obama isn't signing it after their objections brought the problem to the public's attention.

I'm willing to agree that they're all either corrupt or guilty of some feasance (with Sanders, I'm more likely to suspect him of nonfeasance), but yours seems a gratuitous attack on socialism generally and Bernie Sanders specifically. And even in that according to you, Sanders is either a fake socialist or an incompetent one.

Of all the possible politicians in the chain responsible for this, how is Bernie Sanders meriting special attention?
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

Harry Reid cut a deal less than 48 hours after this bill was passed by voice vote with Mitch McConnell who wanted to prevent Obama making any recess appointments during the recess when Congress goes home to campaign and vote by keeping the senate unadjourned, in session pro forma. It was seen at the time as another of Reid's spineless moves, for why would he help McConnell block Obama? The number of 'gimmes' that Reid got in exchange was nominal. With this notary bill, we may have the explanation now for why Reid did it.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025928.php

The senate defines everything that it does, and can choose to ignore itself or not. With this much negative attention focused on what looks to be legislation that Democrats and Republicans hoped would just sneak past everyone's notice, Democrats may choose to ignore that they were, legally, in session and that Obama's not signing it means it becomes law.
Read the Article at HuffingtonPost

How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

The rule of law requires precision in the definitions of words and phrases.

Politicians live and d!e by playing with and bending those words and their definitions.

Pocket Veto: The Constitution grants the President 10 days to review a measure passed by the Congress. If the President has not signed the bill after 10 days, it becomes law without his signature. However, if Congress adjourns during the 10-day period, the bill does not become law.

Adjourn: A motion to adjourn in the Senate (or a committee) ends that day's session.

Adjournment Sine Die: The end of a legislative session "without day." These adjournments are used to indicate the final adjournment of an annual or the two-year session of a Congress.

Adjournment to a day and time certain: An adjournment of the Senate that fixes the day and time for its next session.

Adjourn for more than 3 days: Under the Constitution, neither chamber may adjourn for more than three days without the approval of the other. Such approval is obtained in a concurrent resolution approved by both chambers.

Recess: A temporary interruption of the Senate's (or a committee's) business. Generally, the Senate recesses (rather than adjourns) at the end of each calendar day.

KEEP READING
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I'm backing you up.

These legislators weren't just lawyers; they're the lawyers' lawyers, the senate's experts on the law, those who oversee the judiciary.
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

Why would you single Sanders out? Just as a gratuitous slam at socialism? Do you even know if Sanders was in the chamber for that vote?

I wouldn't defend Sanders (nor any other senator caucusing with Democrats) -- They've decided that the job of a US senator is to cut deals & do whatever compromising it takes to get bills passed into laws that can be later spun to voters as "accomplishments that've been achieved by us for you", regardless of all evidence to the contrary.

Their first priority is to keep their seats for their entire working lives or to parlay the seat into advancement for themselves by switchbacking back & forth between private & public sectors. The only way they can do that with the corrupted system we have is to work on behalf of corporations. They make laws (which they can later spin), far enough away from elections (hoping voters will have forgotten) that protect corporations' ability to gouge the People, in enough time before elections to tack back to populist rhetoric (when they need the People's votes to keep them in office).

Researching what happened in the senate that day, it's looking like the HarryReid designed a kind of 'perfect storm' to bring this bill in under the radar to get it passed, by sandwiching it between a whole lot of 'side work' (administrative housekeeping bills), late in the day, & having it introduced by one of the most boring senators (DLCer BobCasey) whose personality is
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

Do you know what the DLC is and who is in it?

I'll have more to say when you answer that.
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

I'm sorry but I'm not buying this "gee, who knew" BS at all. Most of these legislators are lawyers.

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Exactly, which is why this bill went through the Judiciary Committee, where everyone on it (except one, Al Franken) is a lawyer.
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

I understand that.

The problem is that the state of the technology necessary for what this bill enables and the differing standards for notaries from state-to-state vary so greatly that this was a disaster in the making. The bill didn't improve anything, but was a license for abuse.

Before you would do a bill like this for any field or profession, you would have already had a uniform code adopted and in effect for all 50 states. That hasn't happened.
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

This is the problem that I have with websites like this which use very young reporters who are wet behind the ears and don't really know investigative journalism.

When one House has passed hundreds of bills and the other is at a standstill and you're looking for ways to get your agenda through without raising red flags, you drop back, get creative and look for the most innocent looking Trojan Horses (or in this case, the most boring of front groups and events, Calvin Coolidge) to advance your cause.

Then you hand it to a Pat Leahy kind of rube at a 'liquid event' (Leahy does like his liquid lunches), and you're "in like Flint".

Just as important as 'what' is being done in Washington is 'how' it's being done. The American people need real journalism that exposes how business is done in Washington.
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

"We're just innocently trying to advance the role of the notary public in interstate commerce."

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Why do notaries need their roles advanced?

Their roles are already assured in just about every legal documentation.

[Notaries administer oaths and affirmations, take affidavits and statutory declarations, witness and authenticate the execution of certain classes of documents, take acknowledgments of deeds and other conveyances, protest notes and bills of exchange, provide notice of foreign drafts, prepare marine protests in cases of damage, provide exemplifications and notarial copies, and perform certain other official acts.]
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How The Controversial Foreclosure Bill Made It Through Congress With No Public Debate

Pat Leahy isn't a socialist; he's a rank-and-file pro-corporate Democrat.

You're probably confusing him with the other senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders, who is an Independent and self-declared socialist.

This is how Americans get stup!d; by misinformation being spread over the internet. They read it here, their brains get seeded, they forget where they read it, but they remember reading it at some "reputable website", "so it must be true".

Be responsible and make sure that what you're posting is accurate.
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