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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)

Friday, November 5, 2010


When it's "off the record" (and that is on Geithner's calendar), and neither of them will say what they discussed, that's "secret".



And when Treasury spokesman Steve Adamsky says, “Jon Stewart is influential in America, so we took the opportunity for the two to meet and to discuss the economy,” the American people have a right to know that this administration is trying to use entertainers in the media to manipulate them.



Jon Stewart never should have taken such a meeting.
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Coral, Marine-Life Devastation Near BP Oil Spill Indicates Much Worse Long-Term Damage Than Feds Had Admitted


The deal (oral agreement, nothing on paper, non-securitized) was for $20 over 5 years. The first installment was very late in coming, and BP has only paid $3 billion. As more time goes by, BP is rejecting more and more claims.



BP is also blackmailing the US, saying that unless it's allowed to continue doing risky and dangerous deep water drilling, it's going to have problems keeping the agreement to pay the $20 billion.
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Maddow: Keith Olbermann Suspension Proves Difference Between MSNBC & Fox News (VIDEO)


The issue in my mind is whether MSNBC can even require its personnel to have to clear political contributions with it. What if Keith had informed and Phil said, "No"? If money is speech, according to the Citizens' United decision, can Keith be required to inform his employers of his 'vote'?



I don't think so.
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Maddow: Keith Olbermann Suspension Proves Difference Between MSNBC & Fox News (VIDEO)


In the old days, before news divisions were folded into the entertainment divisions at the networks, journalists were discouraged from even voting to maintain their impartiality. Few did. Some news organizations also forbid journalists exercising First Amendment rights, like participating in political rallies and marches. If you wanted the job, you weren't to cast aspersions on the news organization's reputation that you were working for by appearing the least bit biased.



That said, what happens at Fox (or CNN for that matter) has nothing to do with this, IMHO. Cable channel news has contaminated the ethical guidelines for news organizations. For half the day, MSNBC is a news aggregator, with on camera readers. I'd hardly call any of them journalists, with the exception of Andrea Mitchell and David Gregory -- Before anyone jumps on me, I'm not saying GOOD journalists, just that they are journalists.



The other half of the day, MSNBC is in the opinion business, and the 'sensationalist tabloid'-business with their s3x offender stings and 'Spend your weekend with us in a maximum security prison'-programs.



Neither Rachel, nor Keith, nor Ed Schultz, nor Lawrence O'Donnell, are journalists. They're on-air personalities, in the same category of Rush Limbaugh. They have a point of view and it's not unbiased. They would admit to that. They're in the entertainment business, making the events of the day entertaining.
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Maddow: Keith Olbermann Suspension Proves Difference Between MSNBC & Fox News (VIDEO)


An oldie, but a goodie: http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=4nFpK-_A4­Ws&p=6DE1E­61CF96D346­9



Rachel Maddow stands up to Joe Scarborough, holds her own against the blowhard, and Scarborough winds up walking off David Gregory's old show, 1600 Avenue.



It is a 'Great Moment' in MSNBC history.



That said, I think Rachel is wrong. I think she's trying to be all things to all people, and not wind up in the middle.
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Maddow: Keith Olbermann Suspension Proves Difference Between MSNBC & Fox News (VIDEO)


If you're talking about mine, they have shown up in the activity section. When you click on 'commented', you'll get a new screen that says it was removed.
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Maddow: Keith Olbermann Suspension Proves Difference Between MSNBC & Fox News (VIDEO)


Mine?
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Dan Rather: Obama Has A 'Reputation For Playing A Little Soft'


And to get us to keep voting for them DESPITE THEIR FAILURE TO DELIVER ON ANY OF OUR SHARED OBJECTIVES.



[whew!]
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Dan Rather: Obama Has A 'Reputation For Playing A Little Soft'


Obama's timidity is myth; he's plenty tough when it comes to standing up to the DemocraticBase.



Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama & Democrats want what they want. The DLC-controlled DemocraticParty gives lip service to all populist issues (like CivilRights protections, restoring HabeasCorpus, ending the wars, PublicHealthcare, WallStreetReform, environmental & energy issues, etc.).



If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid & relentless in your sales pitch & tactics. It's not that Bush & R0ve were geniuses & knew something that nobody else knew; Bush & R0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politicians & the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans.



Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination) & the oldest, most experienced politicians in US history (including the Rove machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politicians (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush & Cheney off the table & have us still reelecting them, not marching on Washington with torches&pitchforks?



Obama & Democrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it.



The trick for them's been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they're merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to
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Not All Polls Were Wrong In Nevada


Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked yesterday about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www .youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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<em>Macrowikinomics</em>: Rebooting the Economy

Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked yesterday about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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Keith Olbermann SUSPENDED From MSNBC Indefinitely Without Pay


As long as we're on the subject of cable TV, CSpan needs to be nationalized and all of its channels need to come with basic cable.



Ideally, every household should get basic cable services free of charge in the US.



No American should have to pay to watch their government in action.
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


It would be one thing if Obama were restringing the social safety nets cut under Clinton so that the People, most of whose life savings have been wiped out, were assured a roof over their heads & food to eat. But he's not.



Instead, Obama is setting up the Great Heist's parts 2, 3 & 4, which are to squeeze the last dimes out of the middle & poor classes, with the privatization of Social Security & cuts to Social Security & Medicare benefits, high-priced junk health insurance that has no cost controls (or guarantees of coverage, or universal coverage), & the outsourcing of the rest of Americans' jobs with the coming *AFTA treaties that Obama & the *new* Republican Congress are going to pass.



There can be no fixing this mess, no trusting these b*stard politicians, no "looking forward, until there is LOOKING BACK, investigating & prosecuting & RESTITUTION.



Obama & the DLC-controlled Democrats are as crooked as Republicans & BushCo.



Instead of borrowing money 'in our names' from China & the Saudis, & draining (bleeding) the Treasury, our money, into the banks & the offshore bank accounts of the rich, retire THE PEOPLE'S debt.
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


And as far as "no president who has ever lived could have pulled us out of the ditch Bush left us in two years", it's an interesting way to frame it, but that really isn't the issue.



The fact is it was the greatest heist in the history of the world, & both political parties are in it together, the first stealing the money & then the second blocking investigations, prosecutions, refusing to recover the money & letting the crooks cover their tracks.



What People want & expect is that when they're ripped off the police will apprehend the perps & try to recover the property. Obama & Democrats are NOT doing that.



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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


What you attribute to sloth has other explanations.



You may want to take a look at this:



Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked yesterday about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


Every two years after electing a president, the electorate swings the other way. Who can explain it?

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Pollsters. It's pretty much a science, dearie.



There's no magic to it, just a lot of examining voting data and exit polling, and post-election polling.



As far underestimating Obama, why do you believe there's going to be "a big shift in tactics"?



And, can we assume that if there is going to be a "big shift in tactics", you do have problems with the legislation that his tactics have produced so far? Or else why change tactics now?
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


"Republicans know that Obama is working FOR the American people. Right-wingers always take a Democrat's strength and say it's a negative. You are weird in that way. Your masters want tax breaks for corporations and millionaires. That's loonie."

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I'm glad that Republicans know that Obama is working FOR the American people (I'm being sarcastic), because I, as a liberal Democrat, don't know that.



I think you presume entirely too much without getting confirmation. As a consequence, you form faulty opinions based upon bad information, then compound the problem by adding more false information to your equation from which you weave a narrative that has no basis in reality.



I'm trying to show you how we need to stop presuming and get clear definitions and detailed policies from these public servants so that WE can make informed judgments about what it is that WE, the People want our elected representatives to do IN OUR NAMES.



Why Democrats lost seats in the Senate & control of the House is a question with an answer that can be determined through the voting data, exit polling, etc.



Whether Obama got "it" (& what Obama thinks "it" is), is easily determinable.



About your comment that "(Republicans) want tax breaks for corporations and millionaires":



If Obama goes along with legislation that extends the Bush tax cuts, & doesn't end tax breaks/incentives given corporations for outsourcing jobs, & agrees to capital gains tax cuts, what will you think about Obama?
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


Republicans know that Obama is working FOR the American people.

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I'm glad that Republicans know that (I'm being sarcastic), because I, as a liberal Democrat, don't know that.



I think you presume entirely too much without getting confirmation. As a consequence, you form faulty opinions based upon bad information, then compound the problem by adding more false information to your equation from which you weave a narrative that has no basis in reality.



I'm trying to show you how we need to stop presuming and get clear definitions and detailed policies from these public servants so that WE can make informed judgments about what it is that WE, the People want our elected representatives to do IN OUR NAMES.



Before I ask you again to define why you think Democrats lost seats in the Senate and control of the House (and it's a question with an answer, that can be determined through the voting data, who voted, exit polling, etc.) and whether you think Obama got "it" (and what Obama thinks "it" is), let me ask you this regarding your comment that "(Republicans) want tax breaks for corporations and millionaires": If Obama goes along with legislation that extends the Bush tax cuts, and doesn't end tax breaks/incentives given corporations for outsourcing jobs, and agrees to capital gains tax cuts, what will you think about Obama?



Do you know what the DLC is and who is in it?
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Keith Olbermann SUSPENDED From MSNBC Indefinitely Without Pay


"While NBC News policy does not prohibit employees from donating to political candidates, it requires them to obtain prior approval from NBC News executives before doing so."



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The policy doesn't prohibit him from making the donations; it only requires him to obtain prior 'approval'?



I hope Olbermann takes NBC to court.
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


I think you and I agree (numbers & facts), but I'm speaking specifically to people's perception. Or, if it suits you better, I'm soliciting what people 'know'. What they think is true, factual. If possible, I'd like them to explain how they come to know that.



And, more importantly to this conversation, what they think Obama thinks. And what has let them to think that.



We have a media that, for the most part, were communications' majors in college. They learned how to speak on camera. They learned how to fill air time, with quantity and not quality.



Corporations lease our air waves, practically for free, in exchange for broadcasting in the public good. The 'public good' includes keeping the People educated, informed about public affairs and events. We need to revisit this agreement.
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


My comment refers to secret meetings that the administration is having with popular media figures, apparently to influence them NOT to attack the administration.



You might want to hone your reading comprehension skills before you make with the sarcastic cracks.
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


What does that even mean?!?!!



If you want to be taken seriously, drop the coded rhetoric.



Explain yourself.
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


Could it be that "getting it" has to do with your perception of why Democrats lost seats in the Senate and control over the House?



If the Democratic base stayed home or voted alternatively (for other parties' candidates), which they did, because they don't like that Obama has watered down legislation to attract Republican voters, and Obama says that he's going to do more "bipartisan reaching out to Republicans" (more watering down, more Republican-like legislation), would that be "Obama's not getting it"?
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


It = Why Democrats lost seats in the Senate and control of the House



What does Obama think is the reason?



What do you think is the reason?
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


It = Why Democrats lost seats in the Senate and control of the House



What does Obama think is the reason?



What do you think is the reason?



My comments have to do with Jon Stewart's secret meeting with the Secretary of the Treasury.
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


This petition?:



"We just voted for you, the Democratic members of Congress, in the midterms. But our vote comes with one big condition: If you do not straighten up, get a spine and do what we expect of you, we will find alternate candidates to run against you in 2012. And we mean it."



That's when it'll be too late.



When are you going to run challengers to incumbents in their primaries?



I like Michael Moore, but he's a 'useful id-jit' for the pro-corporate DLC.



You may want to take a look at this:



Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked yesterday about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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Keith Olbermann SUSPENDED From MSNBC Indefinitely Without Pay


Perhaps Phil Griffin would like to hire Jon Stewart to replace Olbermann, now that Stewart seems to have become the ad officio press secretary for the Obama administration:



Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It'

http://www.huf fingtonpos­t.com/2010­/11/05/ste­wart-takes­-on-the-me­di_n_77936­8.html



That, on the heels of this:



Why Did Tim Geithner Hold An Undisclosed Meeting With Jon Stewart Last April?



http://www­.businessi­nsider.com­/jon-stewa­rt-meeting­-with-tim-­geithner-2­010-11#ixz­z14NyPUDh5



WTF?



What did Geithner & Stewart talk about, what was so secret that only a TV personality can know & not all citizens in this democratic republic?



What is with these secret meetings, where the Obama administration is trying to work the media? They did it with Paul Krugman, Rachel Maddow, & others. After Rachel's confab, she was no longer challenging Obama & Max Baucus on air about a public option -- She was actively tamping down expectations, talking about a public option in the past tense, & pushing for the bill.



Something is very wrong when an administration reneges on pledges of transparency, shuts down access to documents & government officials, gets legislation that guts FOIA and then meets in secret with popular media personalities to sell its spin to the public.



How about the administration talking to We The People, directly? How about the transparency we were promised?
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


Is Jon Stewart now the press secretary for the Obama administration?
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Stewart Takes On Media's Insistence That Obama 'Doesn't Get It' (VIDEO)


Why Did Tim Geithner Hold An Undisclosed Meeting With Jon Stewart Last April?



http://www­.businessi­nsider.com­/jon-stewa­rt-meeting­-with-tim-­geithner-2­010-11#ixz­z14NyPUDh5



WTF?



What is with these secret meetings, where the Obama administration is trying to work the media? It happened with Rachel Maddow, too, and when she emerged she was no longer challenging Obama and Baucus on air, pushing for a public option.



Something is very wrong when an administration reneges on pledges of transparency, shuts down access to documents & government officials, gets legislation that guts FOIA and then meets in secret with popular media personalities to sell its spin to the public.



How about the administration talking to We The People, directly? How about the transparency we were promised?
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Unemployment Rate Holds Steady In October -- But Economy Adds 151,000 Jobs


Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked today about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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James Clyburn, Steny Hoyer May Face Off For House Minority Whip


Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked today about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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Message to Democrats: Don't Worry, Be Happy!


I didn't interpret his body language that way.



I saw it as staged, fake. Acting.



I hadn't intended on writing about it, or even commenting on it, until a couple of hours afterwards, on Hardball, HowardFineman reported that the WhiteHouse wasn't shocked by the loss or by the numbers. They live & d!e by polls, know them to be accurate, & knew down to the precise number how many seats they were going to lose.



Then ChrisMatthews said:



"I kept thinking, watching him—I kept thinking of people taking poise lessons when they‘re young women & men, where you walk with the book on your head & you don‘t show any kind of nervousness or anything. It seemed like the most important thing he was doing today was keeping his poise, not showing any shellshock."



http://www­.msnbc.msn­.com/id/40­006786/ns/­msnbc_tv-h­ardball_wi­th_chris_m­atthews/



Matthews got it. It was a politic way for Matthews to get on the record his doubts about Obama's authenticity, that Obama's affect (psychological) was deliberate, considered.



The WhiteHouse knows what caused the losses (& it's not the publicly declared, "We didn't advertise our accomplishments enough", or "We went too far left").



They knew at the time they were caving to Republicans, passing Republican-like legislation that their only hope was to spin it as "great reform for the People", & "accomplishments for Democrats" & try to hypnotize Democratic voters into believing it was true.



If Obama really felt defeated, he'd change course. But he's not.
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Keith Olbermann SUSPENDED From MSNBC Indefinitely Without Pay


"While NBC News policy does not prohibit employees from donating to political candidates, it requires them to obtain prior approval from NBC News executives before doing so."

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I would love to see Olbermann challenge this in court.
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Keith Olbermann SUSPENDED From MSNBC Indefinitely Without Pay


Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked today about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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Pelosi To Run For Minority Leader [UPDATED]


Dylan Ratigan, Glenn Greenwald, and Cenk Uygur talked today about the Obama presidency, progressives and the Democratic Party. Watch it and see if you don't agree:



Part 1 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=TRpK_ANpT­vM



Part 2 - http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=EMUx6Bt6q­Vg
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GOP's Health Care Strategy: Fight Shadow War Rather Than Make Painful Cuts


I totally agree. And it's one of the things I was thinking when I wrote this:



== I suggest that you consider Democrats & Republicans as working on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. One side (Republicans) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, & when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric.



Once in power, Democrats consolidate Republicans' gains from previous years, & continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertising campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what WeThePeople thought they were.



Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigans & all the different ways they've been tricked & start seeing Democrats as no different than Republicans, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business -- This current one, because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc., is custom-tailored to Obama's 'bipartisan cooperation' demeanor. It's smirk-worthy when you realize they're trying to sell that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do, & that's "a good thing". ==
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Obama Heads To Asia


GIve it a rest.

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Give WHAT a rest?



My Constitutional right of free speech? On a public website that has invited me to discuss, share ideas and information, debate issues and participate in its conversations?



It's not going to happen.



You're out of line and out of compliance with the rules of the house, and risk being blocked from this site: http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­p/frequent­ly-asked-q­uestion.ht­ml
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GOP's Health Care Strategy: Fight Shadow War Rather Than Make Painful Cuts


I agree.



If you haven't seen this one, I think you might find it very interesting. Laura Flanders, John Perkins ('Confessions of an Economic Hitman') & Russ Baker talk about Obama and corporations.



http://vod­pod.com/wa­tch/250647­9-grittv-t­he-secret-­global-emp­ires-russ-­baker-john­-perkins
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