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Barack Obama Waives Rule Allowing Indefinite Military Detention Of Americans

Wednesday, February 29, 2012


How do you know even then?

Obama (and Bush-Cheney before him) assert that a president can do whatever he wants (rendition, torture, indefinitely detain, kill) to anyone, and do it with absolutely no oversight, no accountability, in secret.
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Barack Obama Waives Rule Allowing Indefinite Military Detention Of Americans


Here's the problem with what you're claiming:  

It would mean that I couldn't believe my own eyes and ears when I heard Carl Levin say it on the Senate floor.

It would also mean that the transcript and video of the proceedings on CSpan (Levin speaks at 4:43:38) were also edited.

And then there's the Congressional Record.
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Barack Obama Waives Rule Allowing Indefinite Military Detention Of Americans


Stop believing that if it's on Google, it must be true.  

CSpan and the Congressional Record are your friends:

The transcript and video of the proceedings on CSpan (Levin speaks at 4:43:38).

Do your own research before you open your mouth.
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Barack Obama Waives Rule Allowing Indefinite Military Detention Of Americans


 You mean this video on You Tube (or the many identical copies of it)?

Here's the problem with what you're claiming:  

It would mean that I couldn't believe my own eyes and ears when I heard Carl Levin say it on the Senate floor.

It would also mean that the transcript and video of the proceedings on CSpan (Levin speaks at 4:43:38) were also edited.

If you'd followed the actual proceedings, you'd know that Obama had threatened to veto this bill, but it was never about substantive objections to the detention powers vested by this bill -- Obama's objections had nothing to do with civil liberties, or due process or the Constitution. It had everything to do with Executive power.  Obama's not an opponent of indefinite detention; he’s a vigorous proponent of it, as evidenced by his continuous, multi-faceted embrace of that policy.

His complaint was that Congress had no business tying the hands of the President when deciding who should go into military detention, who should be denied a trial, which agencies should interrogate suspects (the FBI or the CIA). Such decisions, Obama insists, are for the President, not Congress, to make. In other words, his veto threat was not grounded in the premise that indefinite military detention is wrong; it was grounded in the premise that it should be the President who decides who goes into military detention and why, not Congress.

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Barack Obama Waives Rule Allowing Indefinite Military Detention Of Americans


Read this, this and here for the specifics.

SEN. CARL LEVIN, addressing the Senate president: I'm wondering whether the Senator is familiar with the fact that the language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved in the Armed Services Committee and the Administration asked us to remove the language which says that US citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section. 

Is the Senator familiar with the fact that it was the Administration that asked us to remove the very language which we had in the bill which passed the committee - and that we removed it at the request of the Administration - that would have said that this determination would not apply to US citizens and lawful residents? 

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Barack Obama Waives Rule Allowing Indefinite Military Detention Of Americans


Obama insisted that this provision be in the legislation or he would veto it.
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