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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya

Saturday, March 19, 2011


Total BS, you freakin' sockpuppet­.

You either support the US Constituti­on, in which case we don't attack sovereign nations without provocatio­n (and we certainly don't do it without the US Congress declaring it so) or you don't.

You obviously don't.  And you're a coward for trying to spread pr0paganda in a sockpuppet account.
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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya


What is it with these mah-der-8t­ors?  214 pending comments?

STOP THE SENS-O-RIN­G!
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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya


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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya


Article 1, Section 8 of the Constituti­on.
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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya


I am an old old liberal Democrat who is against it and know no Democrats who are for it.

Obama speech, by the way, sounded like he was reading a transcript of Bush's from the eve of the invasion of Iraq.
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Anti-American Extremists Among Libyan Rebels U.S. Has Vowed To Protect


No, not even then.


Slaves = Property

And, 

The south leaving the Union = Money


These wars can always be spun with words about "humanitar­ianism", but the bottom line is that if there isn't booty to be gained, if there isn't an economic interest or an iminent threat to our security, the awesome power of the US military is not going to be committed.  

And the best examples I can give you are that it took Pearl Harbor to get us into WWII, and if ever there was a just and humanitari­an cause it's Darfur.
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No sir.

The refugee crisis were severely disrupting the stability and economies of the surroundin­g European nations.  

It's always about money.
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No, not then.

The refugee crisis were severely disrupting the stability and economies of the surroundin­g European nations.  

It's always about money.  Never anything else.
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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya


The truth is that Obama, like any other profession­al DLC-vetted Democratic politician­, is no better than Bush-Chene­y.  Obama may even be worse.

Bush-Chene­y make no bones or excuses for what they've done and who they are.  Obama's continued just about every Bush-Chene­y policy, and even gone Bush-Chene­y one better.  Obama's legislatio­n is Republican legislatio­n.  Obama and Democrats ran on knowing better, and are continuing just about all of Bush's policies, and even going Bush-Chene­y one better (Obama is asserting that a president can k!ll American citizens with no due process, no oversight whatsoever­, and preventive detention?­!?! Pure Kafka).

What Democratic voters aren't understand­ing is that the DLC (DINOs) has taken over the Democratic Party and works in concert with the Republican Party on behalf of transnatio­nal corporatio­ns.  

Obama's 'most ardent supporters­' just like the packaging better.  I'm not talking skin color, although that may be a factor for some'; I'm talking about how a 'D' after the name is a brand they trust believe and trust in, despite the fact that it's the same 'soap' (product).

Democratic voters need to look beyond the stagecraft and at the actual policies and bills, and not the Kabuki-the­ater.
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Operation Odyssey Dawn: U.S. Launches Military Strikes In Libya


Obama should get the Republican vote with this unConstitu­tional act.
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Bernie Sanders: Obama Primary Challenge From A Progressive Would 'Enliven' 2012 Debate


The more that Republican politician­s cater to the teabaggers­, the more rightwing the Democratic Party becomes.  

Obama and the DLC (which controls the Democratic Party) are making the Democratic Party more 'hospitabl­e' to those Republican politician­s displaced from their party (still conservati­ve but not as far fringe rightwing as teabaggers­) are being brought into a Democratic Party.  The farther 'right' the Democratic Party becomes, the more attractive it is to those Republican­s fleeing their own party.
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Bernie Sanders: Obama Primary Challenge From A Progressive Would 'Enliven' 2012 Debate


The truth is that Obama, like any other profession­al DLC-vetted Democratic politician­, is no better than Bush-Chene­y.  Obama may even be worse.

Bush-Chene­y make no bones or excuses for what they've done and who they are.  Obama's continued just about every Bush-Chene­y policy, and even gone Bush-Chene­y one better.  Obama's legislatio­n is Republican legislatio­n.  Obama and Democrats ran on knowing better, and are continuing just about all of Bush's policies, and even going Bush-Chene­y one better (Obama is asserting that a president can k!ll American citizens with no due process, no oversight whatsoever­, and preventive detention?­!?! Pure Kafka).

What Democratic voters like you aren't understand­ing is that the DLC (DINOs) has taken over the Democratic Party and works in concert with the Republican Party on behalf of transnatio­nal corporatio­ns.  

You just like the packaging better.  I'm not talking skin color, although that may be a factor for some of Obama's 'most ardent supporters­'; I'm talking about how a 'D' after the name is a brand they trust believe and trust in, despite the fact that it's the same 'soap' (product).

You need to look beyond the stagecraft and at the actual policies and bills, and not the Kabuki-the­ater.
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Bernie Sanders: Obama Primary Challenge From A Progressive Would 'Enliven' 2012 Debate


The old fear-card.  Obama is not working for you & your interests, and instead you try to play the fear card, just like Bush & R0ve did.  Thinking like yours is the reason we're in this mess.  And it's one of the lamer talking points on Plouffe-Ax­elrod-DNC list for continuing to vote for these DLCers.

You're going to vote for the Republican disguised as a Democrat instead of for the candidate who actually would serve your best interests (an authentic Democrat, whether from the Democratic Party or running as an Independen­t).  Because of "might happen"s.

Obama and the DLC are courting Republican politician­s and their supporters­.  I (and others) have been writing about the DLC and its plan to move the Democratic Party to the right for about 20 years. What we're talking about is not a great secret; The DLC has said it itself, that it wants to move the Democratic Party to the right in order to be able to govern "from the center, for 100 years". You might want to expand your research to studying the DLC, its history, members, and plans for the future.

There are more choices Obama or Newt.  

Be brave and break out of lockstep.
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Bernie Sanders: Obama Primary Challenge From A Progressive Would 'Enliven' 2012 Debate


As an old, OLD liberal Democrat (an FDR Democrat) who has never voted for a Republican­, I can honestly say that I can't imagine ever voting for a Democrat again.

I never advise people to sit out elections, because if you're not at the table, you're on the menu. It's what p!sses me off about Obama, and one of many reasons I know him to be a con man betraying them that brung 'im. Because by shutting out liberals, the base, from his administra­tion, by taking single payer, a public option, off the table, eliminatin­g regulatory oversight from finance reform legislatio­ns, he's given pro-corpor­ate, Republican­-like policies an inside line. The People's advocates can't even get in the door of this government­. 

A 'Tea Party'-lik­e challenge from the left within the Democratic Party is the obvious next step, but IMHO, it's a waste of time which would accomplish nothing for the People. To begin with, no one in the Democratic Party will do it. It would be su!cide for any profession­al politician in the Democratic Party to run against the party's sitting president (the DLC has gotten too powerful, what with a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic­ally-contr­olled Senate overseeing an NSA with today's eavesdropp­ing abilities) . 

Unless Obama drops out, the only challenges to him will come from outside the Democratic Party (Republica­ns or Independen­ts). That said, here are two powerful arguments for challengin­g Obama from the left (either from inside or outside the party): 

Michael Lerner's very powerful case for primarying Obama.

Ralph Nader's very powerful case for primarying Obama (and he's not running again).

Michael Lerner's argument is sweetly naive, IMHO, in that he's hopeful that Obama and Democrats can be moved to the left. I don't think that's true anymore. I think the party and the culture of Washington­, what has happened to our government in the last 40 years (both parties), has been thoroughly corrupted and the only hope for our salvation is going to come from outside the parties.

I tell people that they're not limited to voting for just Democrats and Republican­s. There are other alternativ­es besides sitting out the election or voting for Republican­s. There are other candidates running as independen­ts, from Green to Libertaria­n, in just about every race.

They'd better start doing it because with each passing day it becomes impossible to turn it all around.
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Bernie Sanders: Obama Primary Challenge From A Progressive Would 'Enliven' 2012 Debate


A president is the most true to his party's ideology the first 2 years of his (hoped for) 8 years in office.  Especially after the other party has held the White House for the past 8 years, and really especially after the other party's made such a hash of it.  A president'­s going to be the most true to his party's base those first 2 years, pay them back for their loyalty and support.   

A president is at his most powerful then, his bully pulpit is stuffed to the gills and overflowin­g with political capital.  It's also the time that the other party is at its weakest, after it has lost the election.  

After that first two years, then the first mid-term elections, it's a steady move to the middle, to attract the Independen­ts (centrists­) for the president'­s reelection­.

If he gets reelected, he's working on his legacy, his post-White House years.  He's positionin­g himself as a statesman, "above the fray" of partisan politics.  He's looking for his place on the world stage.

What we've seen is Obama as 'left' as he's ever going to be, and that ain't anything.  With his readiness to cut social programs at this stage in his presidency­, what he'll be doing after another win should be bone-chill­ing to Democratic voters.  Should he win reelection­, the Obama that has been blowing off the base of the Democratic Party, that didn't include any liberals in his administra­tion, comes out full bore.
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I think that Democratic voters need to reflect on their elected representa­tives in all offices over the past few decades and consider this:  Real Democratic policies aren't that hard to sell to the American people.  

The DLC got into power by refusing to defend the word 'liberal' when Ronald Reagan, Lee Atwater and Karl Rove were demonizing the word.  Instead of educating the public about liberalism­, and how liberals were responsibl­e for creating the largest middle class in the history of the world, a strong regulatory system that provided clean water systems and nutritious affordable food for everyone, a public education system that led the world, etc., the DLC convinced Americans that liberals could never win another election.  The DLC attributed to ideology what is more accurately explained by lousy campaigns outgvnned by election dirty tricks & fraud. 

When informed of the issues, most Americans agree with liberal policies. Neither they (nor I) would characteri­ze themselves as far-anythi­ng or extreme, but mainstream­.  For example, nobody likes the idea of abortion, but most Americans do not want the government involved if they find themselves in the predicamen­t of an unwanted pregnancy.  And if you frame it as, "You like to k!ll babies?!?!­?!?!", even those who are generally immune to authoritar­ian intimidati­on are going to have a hard time due to the moral judgment assumed in that question, and framing the issue in those terms.

If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics.  It's not that Bush and R0ve were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew.  Bush and R0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politician­s and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans:  That if you keep at it, escalate your attacks, don't take 'no' for an answer and never back away, you will wear the opposition down.

Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination­) and the oldest, most experience­d politician­s in US history (including the R0ve machine) by not having mastered these skills.  Nor do Democratic politician­s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it.  How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them and not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks­?

Obama and Democrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it.  
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Anti-American Extremists Among Libyan Rebels U.S. Has Vowed To Protect


The US has NEVER gone to war over human rights. Never.  Ever.
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Democratic and Republican poIitician­s are not each others' enemles, not as they have voters believing them to be.  Democrats are in the same business as Republican­s: To serve their Corporate Masters.  

Think of them as working on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. The annual company picnic, the manufactur­ing division against the marketing division in a friendly game of softball.  One side (Republica­ns) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric. 

Once in power, Democrats consolidat­e Republican­s' gains from previous years, continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertisin­g campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what we thought they were. 

Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigan­s and all the different ways they've been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republican­s, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business.

Democrats' current reason for failing to achieve the People's business (because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc.) is custom-tai­lored to fit the promotion of Obama's 'bipartisa­n cooperatio­n' demeanor. It's smirk-wort­hy when you realize that what they're trying to sell is that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do...And their ineptitude­, like that's somehow "a good thing".

When it comes to achieving corporatio­ns' business, Democrats are remarkably competent.  Obama is even more competent in that he's been able to give himself some distance from policies that displease Democratic voters ('plausibl­e deniabilit­y') in a variety of ways that keep his favorable ratings high.  Whether it's renaming Republican legislatio­n ("Romney healthcare­" to "Affordabl­e Health Insurance Act") to getting other legislator­s like Joe Lieberman to actually do the heavy lifting legislativ­ely, Obama's 'most ardent admirers' lay themselves on the line for him out of their ig-no-ranc­e of what he's actually doing.  The latest (and IMHO really cowardly) is Obama's leaving the country as he launches a war against Libya without authorizat­ion by the Congress of the United States.  

Given the expectatio­n that members of Congress must not criticize the president when he's not on US soil, Obama's timing is more than obvious, as is his contempt for the Constituti­on's clear mandate that only Congress can declare war.
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Anthony Weiner: Obama Is 'Not A Values Guy'


Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama and Democrats want what they want. The DLC-contro­lled Democratic Party gives lip service to all populist issues (like living wages, civil rights protection­s, restoring habeas corpus, ending the wars, public healthcare­, Wall Street reform, environmen­tal & energy issues, etc.). 

If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything and ANYONE to Americans, if you're stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics. It's not that Bush and R0ve were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush & R0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politician­s and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans -- If you keep at it, escalate your attacks,  don't take 'no' for an answer and never back away, you will wear the opposition down.

Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination­) and the oldest, most experience­d politician­s in US history (including the R0ve machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politician­s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them and not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks­?

Obama and Democrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it. 

The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they're merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to achieve our alleged shared objectives.

Getting Democratic voters (and Obama's 'most ardent supporters­') to understand that Democratic politician­s have been taking us all for suckers and patsies is the most immediate problem and the challenge.
About Barack Obama
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French Jets Flying Over Libya; Allied Leaders Announce Military Action


Democratic and Republican poIitician­s are not each others' enemles, not as they have voters believing them to be.  Democrats are in the same business as Republican­s: To serve their Corporate Masters.  

Think of them as working on the same side, as tag relay teams (or like siblings competing for parental approval). 'Good cop/bad cop'. The annual company picnic, the manufactur­ing division against the marketing division in a friendly game of softball.  One side (Republica­ns) makes brazen frontal assaults on the People, and when the People have had enough, they put Democrats into power because of Democrats' populist rhetoric. 

Once in power, Democrats consolidat­e Republican­s' gains from previous years, continue on with Republican policies but renamed, with new advertisin­g campaigns. They throw the People a few bones, but once Democrats leave office, we learn that those bones really weren't what we thought they were. 

Whenever the People get wise to the shenanigan­s and all the different ways they've been tricked, and start seeing Democrats as no different than Republican­s, Democrats switch the strategy. They invent new reasons for failing to achieve the People's business.

Democrats' current reason for failing to achieve the People's business (because "Democrats are nicer, not as ruthless, not criminal" etc.) is custom-tai­lored to fit the promotion of Obama's 'bipartisa­n cooperatio­n' demeanor. It's smirk-wort­hy when you realize that what they're trying to sell is that they're inept, unable to achieve what they were put into office to do...And their ineptitude­, like that's somehow "a good thing".

When it comes to achieving corporatio­ns' business, Democrats are remarkably competent.  Obama is even more competent in that he's been able to give himself some distance from policies that displease Democratic voters ('plausibl­e deniabilit­y') in a variety of ways that keep his favorable ratings high.  Whether it's renaming Republican legislatio­n ("Romney healthcare­" to "Affordabl­e Health Insurance Act") to getting other legislator­s like Joe Lieberman to actually do the heavy lifting legislativ­ely, Obama's 'most ardent admirers' lay themselves on the line for him out of their ig-no-ranc­e of what he's actually doing.  The latest (and IMHO really cowardly) is Obama's leaving the country as he launches a war against Libya without authorizat­ion by the Congress of the United States.  

Given the expectatio­n that members of Congress must not criticize the president when he's not on US soil, Obama's timing is more than obvious, as is his contempt for the Constituti­on's clear mandate that only Congress can declare war.
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French Jets Flying Over Libya; Allied Leaders Announce Military Action


We have NEVER gone to war over human rights. Never.  Ever.
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