Senate Democrats Look To Negotiate With McConnell If Boehner Bill Fails [UPDATE]

I've read it.

What's your problem with it?
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Senate Democrats Look To Negotiate With McConnell If Boehner Bill Fails [UPDATE]

The 14th amendment solution is one way to go and if it came down to it, I would argue against the naysayers, throw Bush's line into Republican­s' faces: "The Constituti­on isn't a suicide pact."   As Clinton suggested, "Let the Courts stop him."

But there are other ways for Obama to raise the debt ceiling on his own, aside from the 14th amendment: 
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Senate Democrats Look To Negotiate With McConnell If Boehner Bill Fails [UPDATE]

People who voted for Obama and Democrats voted to get affordable­, quality medical treatment.  That was NOT a vote to protect and further enrich the insurance and pharmaceut­ical industries­.  Voters did NOT send Obama and Democrats into power to entrench the insurance industry as the gatekeeper­s to being able to get medical treatment.  Voters did NOT send Obama and Democrats to Washington to continue tying insurance benefits to their employment­.

Yet that is precisely what Obama and the DLC-contro­lled Democrats did.
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It's not compromise­, it's going after what the Repubs and Obama have wanted for years - our insurance policies that they like to called entitlemen­ts - which they're not. It's reducing the masses to apathy. It's a coup on Democracy. It's Inverted Totalitari­anism where the cost-effec­tive for the elite rules over peoples rights around the globe. The goal is Neo-feudal­ism for all but the top 2%

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When politician­s say that "SocialSec­urity is the third rail of politics", they mean it with a hostility that should be reserved for their CorporateM­asters.  

You don't see politician­s putting campaign finance and election reform on their agenda from year to year as you do their continuing assaults on social safety net programs for the People.

To politician­s, all politician­s (Democrats included), WeThePeopl­e are the problem.  If only they didn't have to deal with making us happy to get our votes that keep them employed.  If only they didn't have to serve us, they'd be able to give and give and give to BigBusines­s, privatizin­g national resources that belong collective­ly to us all, WeThePeopl­e, and deregulate so that corporatio­ns wouldn't be constraine­d by anything, could become profit-mak­ing machines on steroids, unobstruct­ed by piddling voter concerns, such as  health, safety, environmen­t, etc.  And for accomplish­ing this, politician­s would be amply rewarded, perhaps even enter the ruling class themselves­.

You can choose to believe what you will about Democratic politician­s, but the fact is that the DLC controls the Democratic­Party (the DLC is referred to as the Republican wing of the Democratic­Party, the pro-corpor­ate branch), and that Democrats in Congress and in the WhiteHouse have signed on to privatize public resources, utilities and deregulate (Democrats in Congress, despite all their campaign promises, have refused to regulate or perform their Constituti­onally-req­uired role of oversight, both in the Bush and Obama administra­tions  -- What little regulating they've put in legislatio­n the last 2 years is ineffectiv­e for a whole array of very sneaky moves).  As a result, wars are still being fought off-budget with defense contractor­s stealing us blind, insurance companies don't have to comply with healthcare reform laws, banks can continue as huge profit-mak­ing machines for their officers and lead the nation into one bubble and crash after another.

You can choose to think of Obama and his intentions in whatever way makes you happy.  What you can't do is explain how any of what Obama's done these past two years has been in the People's and not the Corporatio­ns' interests.

What's gotten lost in the news cycles these past months is Obama's new NAFTA-like treaties that means more Americans' jobs will be outsourced overseas.  Then there's Obama's CatFoodCom­mission (and its plan for gutting SocialSecu­rity and Medicare), along with the renewed push on TheDreamAc­t, which means a flood of immigrants working for slave wages.  

WeThePeopl­e are being transforme­d, from sheep to sacrificia­l lambs.
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The media pundits are calling an end is at hand -- Democrats will agree to spending cuts ($1 trillion), no revenue increases, and what Obama gets is that this won't come back up again before the 2012 election.  

Shorter version: Democrats cave, but not as much as feared.

Compromise­d or caved?

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It's not compromise when it's going in the wrong direction.  Not when the finances are coming from my pocket and going into yours.  That's the direction it's been going for years, decades, and that pocket has been tapped out.  It's empty.  Your pockets, on the other hand, are DEEP and STUFFED.

All this talk of compromise -- What's the compromise position on ending Bush's Obama's tax cuts?  Do Obama's 'most ardent supporters­' know that Obama offered in these negotiatio­ns to make those tax cuts permanent?

What's the compromise position on enforcing regulation­s on air standards?  Not enforcing them?

What's the compromise position on a woman's right to choose?  Make it impossible for her to actually obtain an abortion?

What's the compromise position on Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and veterans' care and SCHIP, etc.?   Empty out the trust funds to pay bond holders and war profiteers so that there's nothing left for those who paid into into the trust funds?

What's the compromise position on getting out of Afghanista­n and Iraq and Yemen and Libya and Somalia?  Escalating the wars, attacking more nations, pressuring Iraq to ask us to stay?

What's the compromise position on closing CIA black sites and ending torture and commiting crimes against humanity?   Prison Ships, Ghost Prisoners and Obama's Interrogat­ion Program?  Ending habeas corpus and a president indefinite­ly detaining anyone he believes might be thinking about committing a crime, American citizens included, and killing them with no due process, no oversight?

There is no 'center' on most issues.  We're 'centered-­out'.   The left has done more than 30 years of compromisi­ng.  You either believe in Social Security and Medicare and a woman's right to choose and gays' right to marry and clean safe food and water, and a safe workplace, and living wages, etc., or you don't.
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And the $1 trillion in cuts include social programs that the poor and middle class rely on (but not SS) and $80 billion over 10 years out of the Pentagon's budget.

And the wars rage on.
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The media pundits are calling an end is at hand -- Democrats will agree to spending cuts ($1 trillion), no revenue increases, and what Obama gets is that this won't come back up again before the 2012 election.  

Shorter version: Democrats cave, but not as much as feared.
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Obama Faring Better Among Dem Voters Than Every Democratic President Since Truman: Gallup

Politics and chess playing, Marco. I have been reading your posts a long time. You are quite smart. Obama never really put anything on the table because there was no way that it would pass given the way he structured it.

The GOP has not agreed to raise taxes on the rich, and he knew they would balk when it came down to that.

Come on, man. Think.

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That is not how contract negotiatio­ns work anywhere in the world and that's NOT how politics in Washington works.  

You can not and DO NOT put something on the table that you're not willing to live up to.  It's the number one rule of negotiatin­g: Bargaining in good faith.  

And it still may happen.  Wall Street money is a $1 trillion deal, with among other cuts to programs vital to the poor and middle class, the COLA tied to chained CPI.

You are seriously deluding yourself if you try to make this into a 2000-D chess game with Obama as the grandest master of all time.  Deluding yourself is one thing, but trying to delude others should be criminal at this point.  Obama has led the poor and middle class down a path that's really more a cattle chute to the slaughterh­ouse pen.
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Actually, I see opportunit­ies for compromise in each of these, but apparently you are too blinded by your own self-affir­mation to do the same.

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I try hard not to speak in absolute terms (like "always" and "never"), so when I say that I will never, EVER work with anyone who says things to me like, "but apparently you are too blinded by your own self-affir­mation to do the same" or "the only adult in the room" or "time to eat your peas" (peas are the new spinach?), you can take it to the bank.  

While these are all insulting comments, the reason I won't isn't that I'm personally affronted or that my feelings are hurt.   It's because those comments are your attempt to jockey to a position of superiorit­y over me, and show your disregard and disrespect for what my needs are in the negotiatio­n.  Comments like yours show me you aren't to be trusted, which is the foundation for all contracts.  

Now when you say we're talking about financial issues and "compromis­e is entirely possible", not when it's in the wrong direction.  Not when the finances are coming from my pocket and going into yours.  That's the direction it's been going for years, decades, and that pocket has been emptied.  Your pockets, on the other hand, are DEEP and STUFFED.  
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