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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

Sunday, October 10, 2010

We've been doing it your way (the DLC's way) for 20 years now, & the government & the Democratic Party keeps moving farther to the right.

If you and I are on the same side, if you and I want the same policies (real Democratic policies), and going about getting them your way (protecting Obama, siding with Obama) is getting Republican policies, NOT Democratic policies, when do you realize that maybe you don't know what you're talking about?

Do you ever realize it?

Apparently you don't.
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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

Do you know what the DLC is, and who is in it?

The DLC are DINOs, ideologically the moderate Republicans of the 1950s & 1960s. It is anti-populist & a t00l of the corporations, just like The GOP. The DLC, through no acclaimation of the People or Democratic voters, controls the DemocraticParty.

That's who you're defending, protecting.

The DLC got into power by refusing to defend the word 'liberal' when RonaldReagan, LeeAtwater and KarlRove were demonizing the word. Instead of educating the public about liberalism, & how liberals were responsible for creating the largest middle class in the history of the world, a strong regulatory system that provided clean water systems and nutritious affordable food for everyone, a public education system that led the world & more Americans with college degrees than any other nation, etc., the DLC convinced Americans that liberals could never win another election.

The DLC attributed to ideology what is more accurately explained by lousy campaigns, outmaneuvered & outgvnned by dirty tricks campaigns & election fraud.

If the DLC is on the side of the angels, on the side of the People, does what the DLC did & is doing make any kind of sense to you, when most Americans, when informed. agree with liberal policies?

There isn't a great deal of space to discuss this here, but let's try.
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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

I am an old FDR liberal Democrat. There is absolutely nothing that I believe or have ever said to contradict that, so whatever you think about that, that's what you think about FDR.

I am one of the 70% of liberals that comprise the Democratic Party, and what Obama and Democrats are doing is not what Democratic voters put Obama & Democrats into power to achieve on their behalf.
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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

You're a DLC political operative, paid to spread disinformation, BillLoney.

We've been doing it your way (the DLC's way) for 20 years now, & the government & the Democratic Party keeps moving farther to the right.

If you and I are on the same side, if you and I want the same policies (real Democratic policies), and going about getting them your way (protecting Obama, siding with Obama) is getting Republican policies, NOT Democratic policies, when do you realize that maybe you don't know what you're talking about?

Do you ever realize it?
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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

He hasn't done anything!!!

Wake up!

Aren't you tired of being taken for a f00l.

Wouldn't you like to win for a change?? Wouldn't you like a Democrat to stand up and fight for you??
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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

You're such a paid hack, BillLoney.

After November 2nd, if Republicans take control of one or both Houses of Congress, is Obama going to veto what they put through?

Are the Democrats, as the minority party, going to be as effective as Republicans have been in obstructing? Do you believe that Democrats are going to reach deep within and find they've grown spines where none were apparent before?
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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

What issues do you see coming up in the next months leading up to the next campaign (2012), and what Democrats are and aren't willing to support to get votes?

What issues are important to you? For example, do you have any expectations of a public option being added to get real healthcare reform? If not now, when? Ever? How?

Do you hear any of them, any candidates, Obama, Biden, anyone, talking about concrete legislation they intend to pass to get people jobs?

Why's the only thing we hear about the coming election next month is Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angell and the Tea Party? Why aren't the candidates being asked what they're going to do if elected?
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Unfilled Openings Frustrate The Jobless

What do you think Obama is going to do after the November 2 elections if Republicans take control of one or both Houses of Congress?

Do you think he'll veto the legislation they pass (through reconciliation & every other means they can manage)? Do you think Obama will take to the bully pulpit, urge Americans to bury Republicans in email, phone calls, snail mail, & urge Democrats to block Republicans every way possible?

Or do you think that Obama's going to be making deal after deal with them, spinning what he can as somehow "Good for the People and Democrats", and/or, "I'm president of all the People, & the People in their infinite wisdom put Republicans in the majority, so I must honor their wishes & work with Republicans, & not try to obstruct their will"?

And if Democrats keep control of Congress? Do you think Obama's going to continue trying to work in a "bipartisan manner" with Republicans, keep flip-flopping on his campaign promises, & say that the election was a referendum on his trying "change the tone in Washington", and voters want him to do more of the same?

What issues do you see coming up in the next months leading up to the next campaign (2012), and what Democrats are and aren't willing to support to get votes?

What issues are important to you? For example, do you have any expectations of a public option being added to get real healthcare reform? If not now, when? Ever?
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White House: No Need For National Foreclosure Moratorium

And here it was I thought your objection was to 'Chlamydia'.

It's not acceptable to YOU. You, then, shouldn't use it.

You, however, aren't me. You also aren't the boss of me, or the boss of this website.

Your not being in a position to censor others is a good thing. Your expertise with language is limited and puerile.

When I say that 'Chlamydia' is a wh0re, I do not mean it in the literal sense that she takes money for s3x. I mean it in the common parlance, of someone compromising principles for personal gain. On a website where comments are limited to a specific number of characters (and in a world where texting acronyms has supplanted discussion), I am very pleased with the allusion. I 'squoze' every last bit of irony from 'Chlamydia's' words & crafted an opinion that got right to the point. It's not only true of what 'Chlamydia' expresses regularly (& in an insulting condescendingly manner) on HP, it's also true of David Axelrod, DLCers in general, & political operatives roaming the packets of the Internet as one of Obama's 'most ardent supporters'.

Your problem with it is just that -- Your problem. I think, though, that it's the least of your problems. Running to the aid of balding, middle-aged congressional staffer using a cartoon avatar to represent him (of a young woman who you think is real & find s3xuaIIy appealing) is way more unacceptable.
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Just as an aside, having nothing to do with this thread, where do you come off thinking you have any business getting in the way of my comments to another commenter?

We have a history having nothing to do with you.
About Foreclosures
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White House: No Need For National Foreclosure Moratorium

What do you think it takes to get Obama to keep his campaign promises? Because his healthcare legislation doesn't do it, his finance reform legislation doesn't do it (it wouldn't have prevented the meltdown, nor will it prevent the next one). What did you think when Obama said it was Congress's job to write the healthcare bill, he was staying out of it, and then you learned that Obama was double-dealing the committees writing the bill, cutting secret deals with PhRma, hospitals, Big Insurance (then lied about it, said they hadn't), which Congress would be bound by?

What did you think when Obama and Rahm Emanuel, as soon as they got into the White House, went after Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin, two people with no job in the Republican Party, instead of the Republican leadership in Congress? What did you think when after the 2008 election, with the GOP not only on the ropes but down for the count, got a pardon from Obama?
About Foreclosures
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White House: No Need For National Foreclosure Moratorium

Obama's 'most ardent supporters' claim that he's a centrist.

They say that he always has been & that those Democratic voters who voted for him because they believed him to be a populist, a liberal, weren't listening (forget the fact that Obama ran an aggressive progressive campaign, and to the left of Hillary). And, they say, conservatives who insist Obama's a liberal are either stup!d or so far right and unpolitically savvy, they don't even belong svcking up space and time on political discussion threads.

To those who thought that during the 2008 campaign, Obama was a moderate and wasn't trying to deceive anyone, what did you think he meant when you heard him saying during the campaign that people had to stay involved after the election, that they couldn't just vote for him, go away for four years and expect that he would do what they had hoped. That "there are powerful interests working against what the people want, and if you want me to do your bidding, you would have to make me do it".

What did you think he was talking about? Did you think he was just being honest, admitting he could be corrupted? Did you think he was trying to deceive centrists, corporatists, into believing he was really on their side but liberals and progressives could get him to keep his promises to them if they sat on him, kept after him?
About Foreclosures
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White House: No Need For National Foreclosure Moratorium

What makes you think that Obama is not on the same page with Axelrod?

Obama's either inept or corrupt.
About Foreclosures
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White House: No Need For National Foreclosure Moratorium

Banks are breaking and entering homes that they have no legal right to, changing the locks, and when the homeowners call the police (often hiding in their bathrooms, whispering into cell phones), they're told "It's a civil matter, not a matter for the police."

Could you be anymore of a wh0 re for Obama and the DLC, Chlamydia?
About Foreclosures
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Dems Struggle To Build 'Firewall' Against House Losses

Do you know what the DLC is, and who is in it?

The DLC are DINOs, ideologically the moderate Republicans of the 1950s & 1960s. It is anti-populist & a t00l of the corporations, just like The GOP. The DLC, through no acclaimation of the People or Democratic voters, controls the DemocraticParty.

That's who you're defending, protecting.

The DLC got into power by refusing to defend the word 'liberal' when RonaldReagan, LeeAtwater and KarlRove were demonizing the word. Instead of educating the public about liberalism, & how liberals were responsible for creating the largest middle class in the history of the world, a strong regulatory system that provided clean water systems and nutritious affordable food for everyone, a public education system that led the world & more Americans with college degrees than any other nation, etc., the DLC convinced Americans that liberals could never win another election.

The DLC attributed to ideology what is more accurately explained by lousy campaigns, outmaneuvered & outgvnned by dirty tricks campaigns & election fraud.

And as most Americans, when informed, agree with liberal policies, does what the DLC did, is doing, make any kind of sense to you IF it's on the side of the angels/People? If the DLC is the 'good guys'?

There isn't a great deal of space to discuss this here, but let's try.
About 2010 Elections
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Dems Struggle To Build 'Firewall' Against House Losses

You are way out of line; take a deep breath.

We've been doing it your way (the DLC's way) for 20 years now, & the government & the Democratic Party keeps moving farther to the right.

If you and I are on the same side, if you and I want the same policies (real Democratic policies), and going about getting them your way (protecting Obama, siding with Obama) is getting Republican policies, NOT Democratic policies, when do you realize that maybe you don't know what you're talking about?

Do you ever realize it?
About 2010 Elections
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Democrats See Glimmer Of Hope Ahead Of 2010 Midterm Elections

The point is that if Obama and the DLC-controlled Democratic Party couldn't achieve better than this with what they were given, they're either inept or corrupt.

The proof of that is going to be after November 2nd, if Republicans take control of one or both Houses of Congress. When Democrats choose not to be as effective as Republicans have been in obstructing as the minority party. Or do you believe that Democrats are going to reach deep within and find they've grown spines where none were apparent before?

You can't even make the argument that Obama's 'most ardent supporters' promoted during the 2008 campaign, after his FISA flip-flop, that he was a closet liberal who had to vote as he did in order to f00l independents into voting for him, "but after the election, you watch! Obama will be FDR's reincarnation!"

If you can misrepresent the first 2 years of Obama's administration as you've done, and present it as good, why would he and the DLC-controlled Democratic Party do anything differently in the next 2 years?
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The Lilly Ledbetter Act again? Ledbetter was a done deal before Obama put his hand on the bible that Lincoln was sworn into office with in 1861. You should be mortified that Obama still has you holding Lilly Ledbetter up as the cornerstone of his achievements after 2 years in office, with Democrats controlling both Houses of Congress, and after blowing a filibuster-proof Senate.

Obama's healthcare and finance bills are only 'reform' in that both are massive giveaways to big business. The healthcare bill is part 2 of Bush's Medicare Reform Act, and doesn't do what voters put Obama and Democrats into power to achieve. Forcing the American taxpayer to pick up the tab for a few million more insurance policies (leaving millions without insurance still) is not getting affordable quality medical treatment for everyone. Having insurance does not mean you can afford medical care. Neither bill, healthcare or finance reform, move us in the right direction.

Obama's picks for the Supreme Court have moved the Court to the right. That's all that even needs saying about them. That's not what Democratic voters put Obama and Democrats into power to achieve on their behalf.

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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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Then there's his flip-flopping on foreign policy and Honduras:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/27/opinion/main6524279.shtml

And the Jerusalem kerfuffle:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/obama-backtracks-on-jerusalem.html

The real question is what doesn't Obama flip-flop on for his own political convenience?
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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During the 2008 campaign, he flip-flopped on decriminalization of marijuana.

While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022402094.html

Once in the White House, Obama vowed to stop the raids on medical marijuana dispensers:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/us/19holder.html

It took some time for Obama to live up to that:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_02/017065.php

Now it seems, Is Obama Planning to Allow More Medical Marijuana Raids?:

http://stopthedrugwar.org/speakeasy/2010/aug/18/obama_planning_allow_more_medica
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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Obama flip-flopped on offshore oil drilling:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/08/obamas-shift-on-drilling.html
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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During the 2008 campaign, he flip-flopped on public financing.

Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama later attached several conditions to the agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. And then later still, when he changed his mind, Obama's spokesman denied that Obama had ever committed himself on the matter.
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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Renegotiating NAFTA:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/19/obama-softens-nafta-rhetoric/

http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/the_journal_just_loves_this_ob.php
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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He flip-flopped on welfare reform:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/obama-shifts-on.html
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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During the 2008 campaign, he flip-flopped on the Cuba embargo.

In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."
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I know, I know, "How is that possible that the average American wouldn't realize it's not the same $80 billion when it's year in& year out?" The average American is just barely keeping it all together as it is & fighting for his life(style).

Committees in both Houses of Congress have either never begun investigations into fraud and abuse, or dropped investigations (both on what happened during the Bush administration and afterwards), yet Congress is doing no oversight, & thieving criminal private contractors are still being awarded government contracts.

Congress didn't authorize any war against the Taliban, or nation-building in either Afghanistan or Iraq, yet these wars continue. After taking a nation to war with Iraq based on l!es (not just about Iraq having WMD, but Bush got the Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq from Congress based on his assurances that it was only to bolster his 'bullying Saddam Hussein'-strategy, & that he would go back to the UN for its authorization & come back to Congress before he did anything -- Bush did neither), no legal basis exists for the US military remaining in either of those countries.
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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Obama ran on putting the wars on the budget, with no more supplemental emergency spending bills to pay for these wars. Funding the wars through supplementals was how Bush & Cheney managed to avoid congressional oversight & public scrutiny.

After close to two years of controlling both Houses of Congress & the WhiteHouse, Democrats are continuing the funding of the wars through supplementals.

What's significant about this?:

When the funding of wars goes 'on budget', congressional committees & subcommittees then hold hearings & investigations into US policies, about US interests around the world, from which the UnitedState's overall foreign & military policies are derived. That's how civilian-control over the US military takes place: Through the citizens' chosen representatives choosing weapons systems & overseeing US military operations & installations, plans & policies, etc.

This doesn't happen with supplemental spending bills.

The nature of them is, "It's an emergency, we're running out of money, give us $80 billion now (that's the magic sum, invariably $80 billion) or you won't be 'supporting the troops'...We'll talk about it later".

"Later" doesn't happen.

The $80 billion ploy is so the American people think they're always talking about the same $80 billion.

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Through that committee's chairman, Max Baucus, Obama set the terms for the bill that would ultimately be adopted into law, by eliminating single payer universal health care from consideration and all advocates of public health care. No seat at the table.

And THEN, Obama cut secret deals with hospitals, insurance companies and PhRma on profits, and L!ED about it when it was discovered:

http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/53311447.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31464689/ns/politics-white_house

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12456721 1118336815.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health/jan-june09/pharma_06-22.html

http://www.huf fingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/policy/13health.html?_r=3&hp

http://www.alternet.org/story/141856/obama's_$80_billion _deal_with _pharma_is _a_very_ba d_deal_for _us/
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Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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Not only did Obama campaign on "a public option", he campaigned on single payer, universal health care.

Here's a campaign ad featuring Obama himself - http://www.factcheck.org/video/obama_motherwmv.wmv .

See the part where he says he has a plan to "cover everyone'? That's called "universal coverage". Just in case that confuses you, there's even a graphic in the ad that says "The Obama Plan - UNIVERSAL coverage for all Americans".

Obama ran against mandates, and criticized Hillary for them in her campaign promises. Candidate Obama on mandates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnDxqboVxMY

Here's another reference where Obama campaigned on public option - http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/10/yes-obama-campaigned-on-a-public-option/

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About 2010 Elections
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Dems Struggle To Build 'Firewall' Against House Losses

Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

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Speaking of transparency, Obama in his own words:

Transparency Will Be Touchstone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72g7qmeP1dE

"On transparency", "About inviting the people back into their government again", and "Part of the job of the next American president is making Americans believe that our government is working for them, because right now they don't feel like it's working for them. They feel like it's working for special interests and it's working for corporations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K97hvOOdy_I

"We need a president who sees the government not as a tool to enrich well connected friends and high-priced lobbyists, but as a defender of fairness and opportunity for every single American. That's what this country's been about and that's the kind of president I intend to be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEMxfme7OQI

"Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public, no more secrecy.....No more secrecy.....":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQbQTrm_pSA

"Clintons did health care the wrong way, behind closed doors":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvyharXBI0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU0m6Rxm9vU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBtIKgGHYPQ

"The American people are the answer":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2cvru2TH-s

Obama's Transparency Problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IODbwOhZYEM

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About 2010 Elections
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Dems Struggle To Build 'Firewall' Against House Losses

Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

======================================

Obama blocking the court ordered release of the torture & abuse photos of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan after pledging to release them:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/13/evening-buzz-prisoner-photo-flip-flop/

After Obama flip-flopped on this issue that he campaigned on (transparency and releasing the thousands of t0rture photos of detainees), he used Lieberman to slip it into legislation that gave the SoD the power to gut FOIA and bury the evidence forever.

http://www.truthout.org/1022095

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/143322/outrage:house_snea kily_passe s_bill_ban ning_relea se_of_phot os_showing _detainee _abuse/
About 2010 Elections
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Dems Struggle To Build 'Firewall' Against House Losses

Please tell us why you called Obama a flip flopper?

======================================

His FISA vote.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9982898-7.html

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/obama_fisa.php
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