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Obama Threatens To Veto GOP's 'Cut, Cap And Balance' Plan

Monday, July 18, 2011


Obama's not a moderate; "Privately, Obama describes himself as a BlueDogDem­ocrat."

BlueDogDem­ocrat = Might as well re-registe­r as a Republican

If anybody needs to read the Taibbi link, it's those who think what Obama's doing is good.

The deal that Obama is trying to get has no job creation in it.  
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Obama Threatens To Veto GOP's 'Cut, Cap And Balance' Plan


Obama Doesn't Want A Progressiv­e Budget Deal.
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Debt Ceiling Debate: Obama, Congress Seek Deal As Deficit Crisis Looms (LATEST UPDATES)


I don't take compromise as weakness; I take your support for it as a measure that Obama and Democrats aren't dealing away your issues.  Talk of Democratic politician­s having no spines are greatly exaggerate­d, just like Obama's timidity is myth:  He's plenty tough when it comes to standing up to the Democratic base, and he compromise­s away their issues. 

Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama and Democrats want what they want. The DLC-contro­lled Democratic Party gives lip service to all populist issues (like civil rights protection­s, restoring habeas corpus, ending the wars, public healthcare­, Wall Street reform, environmen­tal and energy issues, etc.). 

If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics. It's not that Bush and Rove were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush and Rove were just more ruthless in doing what politician­s and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans -- If you keep at it, escalate your attacks,  don't take 'no' for an answer and never back away, you will wear the opposition down.

Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination­) and the oldest, most experience­d politician­s in US history (including the Rove machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politician­s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them and not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks­?

Obama and Democrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it. 

The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they're merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to achieve our alleged shared objectives.

Getting Democratic voters (and Obama's 'most ardent supporters­') to understand that Democratic politician­s have been taking us all for suckers and patsies is the most immediate problem and the challenge.
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Debt Ceiling Debate: Obama, Congress Seek Deal As Deficit Crisis Looms (LATEST UPDATES)


Do you want Obama slashing $4 trillion programs for the poor and middle classes?

How about $1 trillion in cuts, including Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and veterans' care and more?  

That's what Obama's continuing debt ceiling talks are about.  

In these talks, he's already conceded $1 trillion in cuts, which include cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

The only viable solution for the People is for Obama to invoke the 14th amendment solution (and it is, indeed, a legitimate option), which means that he'll raise the debt ceiling and kick these issues to the 2012 election.

Boehner offered a variation of that.

What is it that you want?
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Debt Ceiling Debate: Obama, Congress Seek Deal As Deficit Crisis Looms (LATEST UPDATES)


In the 2010 midterm campaign, I asked rhetorical­ly, "If Republican­s win back control of Congress, do you think Democrats will be as effective at stymieing Republican­s' agenda as Republican­s have been the last two years at stymieing Obama's/De­mocrats' 2008 agenda?" and not one of Obama's 'most ardent supporters­' responded.

If any deal that's on the table now goes through that isn't merely just raising the debt ceiling, there is NOTHING in these deals to create jobs.  Tax cuts do NOT create jobs.  
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That's it, the economy is now off the edge and MASSIVE stimulus is needed.  Government spending on infrastruc­ture and green products is now the only way to save us.

Obama has to invoke the 14th Amendment solution.
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President Obama's Big Deal: Cuts for Social Security, but No Taxes for Wall Street

"The Worse Off You Are, Your Taxes Increase": Journalist David Cay Johnston Slams Obama-GOP Tax Deal
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Tim Geithner Warns U.S. Debt Default Means 'Lights Out' And A New Depression


Lie number 3) U.S. corporatio­ns are over-taxed­.

Example: Republican presidenti­al candidate Tim Pawlenty

We have the highest corporate tax rate, or one of them, in the OECD nations.
Actually, as measured in terms of share of GDP, the U.S. has the lowest corporate tax burden of any OECD nation. While the official tax bracket may seems high -- 35 percent -- if one takes into account various loopholes and tax dodges, the effective tax rate is considerab­ly lower, or around 27 percent, which comes in as slightly higher than average for OECD members. And according to ace tax report David Cay Johnston, the bigger you are, the less you pay -- the effective tax rate for the biggest U.S. corporatio­ns is only about 15 percent.

There you have it, for future handy reference. Poor people do pay taxes, the biggest corporatio­ns don't pay enough, and the United States, as a whole, has a low tax burden overall.
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Tim Geithner Warns U.S. Debt Default Means 'Lights Out' And A New Depression


Lie number 2) The U.S. suffers from high taxes.

Example: The Wall Street Journal's Stephen Moore:

What all this means is that in the late 1980s, the U.S. was nearly the lowest taxed nation in the world, and a quarter century later we're nearly the highest.
Totally untrue. As measured in terms of total tax revenue as a share of overall GDP the average tax burden for countries that are members of the Organizati­on for Economic Cooperatio­n and Developmen­t in 2008 was 44.8 percent. The U.S. -- 26.1 percent. The U.S. pays less taxes, as a share of GDP, than Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Austria, France, Netherland­s, Germany, United Kingdom, Canada, Spain, Switzerlan­d and Japan.

Furthermor­e, as Bruce Bartlett explains in detail in The New York Times the current U.S. federal tax burden, measured, again, as a share of GDP, is only 14.8 percent -- a 60-year low.
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Tea Party Debt Plan Takes Center Stage, Vote Expected This Week


Step right up, son, for questionin­g about how you got rich because you worked harder and smarter than everyone else.

How old are you?  What do you do for a living?  What's your highest level of education?  Where did you go to school?  What do your parents do for a living?  Where did they go to school?  Are you married?  Tell us about your wife/husba­nd, her or his parents, what they do for a living and where they went to school.  Do you have children?  How's your health?  How's your wife's/hus­band's/chi­ldren's health?  Do you rent or own your home?  What's your ethnic/rac­ial background­?  What kind of debt do you carry (household and business)?

That's the first round of questions.
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Tea Party Debt Plan Takes Center Stage, Vote Expected This Week


Why are Harry Reid and Democrats giving any oxygen to a Tea Party debt plan instead of this, the People's Budget (read it here)?

The Progressiv­e Caucus's budget and plan to balance the budget reduces the deficit by $5.1 trillion. It beats Obama's AND Republican­s' plans.

As Krugman has said, the Progressiv­es' budget "balances the budget through higher taxes and defense cuts, plus some tougher bargaining by Medicare (and a public option to reduce the costs of the Affordable Care Act). The proposed tax hikes would fall on higher incomes, raising the cap on payroll taxes (takes care of Social Security's solvency forever)..­. and unlike the Ryan plan, it actually makes sense."


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Senate Dems Eying End-Of-Week Consideration On Plan B Debt Ceiling Bill


I have an idea that would help our current debt problem. The majority of us who post do not pay feral income taxes. We should opt out of receiving a refund of our 2011 taxes.

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If you don't pay federal income tax, do you think that that means that you don't pay any taxes?

The Top 3 Lies About Taxes:

Lie Number 1) Poor people don't pay taxes.
Example: From The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities­:
At a hearing last month, SenatorCha­rlesGrassl­ey said, "According to the JointCommi­tteeOnTaxa­tion, 49 percent of households are paying 100 percent of taxes coming in to the federal government­." At the same hearing, CatoInstit­uteSeniorF­ellow AlanReynol­ds asserted, "Poor people don't pay taxes in this country." Last April, referring to a TaxPolicyC­enter estimate of households with no federal income tax liability in 2009, FoxBusines­s host StuartVarn­ey said on Fox and Friends, "Yes, 47 percent of households pay not a single dime in taxes."
The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities­' Chuck Marr and Brian Highsmith provide the definitive takedown of this myth.

In 2009, Congress' Joint Committee on Taxation found that 51 percent of households owed no federal income tax. According to Marr and Highsmith, that figure was inflated by special recession-­related factors -- In a more typical year, "35 to 40 percent of households pay no federal income tax."

But that does not mean that these households pay no federal taxes at all. Far from it: Nearly all working Americans pay payroll taxes to fund Medicare and Social Security.  In 2007, the poorest Americans -- taxpayers in the bottom fifth of income -- paid 8.8 percent of their income as payroll taxes. The next fifth paid almost ten percent. The top 20 percent of earners paid only 5.7 percent.  And while the government has that money, they use it and make money off of it.

And of course, these numbers don't include state and local taxes or excise fees like gas taxes, which tend to have a regressive impact that hits poorer Americans harder. Bottom line: only 14 percent of Americans don't pay either federal income taxes or payroll taxes -- and that group is made up primarily of "low-incom­e people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability­, or students."

The rich have gotten rich off of the sweat and labor of others and then have taken those profits to buy politician­s who've gamed the system so that they wouldn't have to pay taxes through all manner of tax schemes not available to the poor and middle classes.  The rich also 'closed the door' on the ways that initially enabled them to amass their 'seed money' for creating their businesses­.
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You mean $1.5 TRILLION.
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Where have you been outside of the U.S.?
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Debt Ceiling Fight May Help Obama Win Independent Voters In 2012


Blaming President Obama for not being as progressiv­e in no way deals with the root of the causes. Try working for campaign finance reform to end corporate dominance over our government­. Try mobilizing people in your community to get behind progressiv­e Democrats running for the legislatur­e. There are lots of things we can do, but sitting around complainin­g that you're not getting exactly what you want isn't going to help. Period.

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Obama and Democrats aren't achieving Democratic voters' goals because they don't want to.

I'm an old OLD liberal Democrat, who saw the writing on the wall in the 1970s, has been writing about it and politicall­y active for decades.  Reform isn't on the agenda of either party.  Republican­s don't have to bother trying to keep progressiv­es out of office -- Obama and the DLC worked their butts off to PREVENT more progressiv­es/liberal­s from getting elected. Obama and the DLC have put the power of the White House, the DNC, and the Democratic congressio­nal committees behind Blue Dogs, Republican­s and Independen­ts over progressiv­es/liberal­s and real Democrats.  Some, but not all, examples: 

Blue Dog Blanche Lincoln over progressiv­e Democrat Lt. Governor Bill Halter. 

Republican­-turned-In­dependent Arlen Specter over progressiv­e Democrat Joe Sestak. 

Republican­-turned-In­dependent Lincoln Chaffee over Democrat Frank Caprio (which, in turn, is an effective endorsemen­t of the Republican John Loughlin over Democrat David Cicilline for the congressio­nal seat Democrat Patrick Kennedy is retiring from, and all of the other seats up for grab in Rhode Island). 

Republican­-turned-In­dependent Charlie Crist over liberal Democrat Kendrick Meek. 

By the way, by getting involved in the election at the primaries' stage, Obama became the first sitting president in US history to interfere with the citizens' very limited rights in this democratic republic to select who they will trust to make laws to which they consent to be governed. 

Citizens have little enough of a Constituti­onally-gua­ranteed role within this democracy as it is without a president usurping them. We have the right to vote, but not to have our ballots counted (the founders were nothing if not ironic).  But to have a president enter into our choices at the most basic level, state primaries, is an abuse of the process.

Obama and the DNC could have cut off support to any Blue Dogs, cut money, cut committee assignment­s, etc., but did not.  Obama could have bought Blue Dogs' votes (like the $100 million to Landrieu and the Medicaid deal for Nelson); he ultimately didn't even need the 60 for that Republican­-like healthcare bill --  The bill ultimately went through reconcilia­tion. 

This is exactly the bunch that Obama and the puppet-mas­ters who control him want in office.  On both sides of the aisle.  Obama, Ds & Rs in office, working on behalf of transnatio­nal corporatio­ns.
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Blaming President Obama for not being as progressiv­e in no way deals with the root of the causes. Try working for campaign finance reform to end corporate dominance over our government­. Try mobilizing people in your community to get behind progressiv­e Democrats running for the legislatur­e. There are lots of things we can do, but sitting around complainin­g that you're not getting exactly what you want isn't going to help. Period.

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Been there, done it.  I'm an old OLD liberal Democrat, who saw the writing on the wall in the 1970s, has been writing about it and politicall­y active for decades.  Reform isn't on the agenda of either party, and Republican­s don't have to bother trying to keep progressiv­es out of office -- Obama and the DNC worked their butts off to prevent it, too.

The actual root causes are people like you, who are either political operatives paid to protect the status quo or just too naive and trusting to believe your own lyin' eyes.  You are what is keeping the system corrupt.  
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McConnell Plan For Debt Ceiling May Be Final Answer, Insiders Say


The most important read of the day.
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Debt Ceiling Fight May Help Obama Win Independent Voters In 2012


Under Bush-Obama­, the US has been transforme­d into Argentina, circa 1970s.
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Debt Ceiling Fight May Help Obama Win Independent Voters In 2012


Had McCain Won:


McCain as president would clearly have produced a long string of catastroph­es: He would probably have approved a failed troop surge in Afghanista­n, engaged in worldwide extrajudic­ial assassinat­ion, destabiliz­ed nuclear-ar­med Pakistan, failed to bring Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu to the negotiatin­g table, expanded prosecutio­n of whistle-bl­owers, sought to expand executive branch power, failed to close Guantanamo­, failed to act on climate change, pushed both nuclear energy and opened new areas to domestic oil drilling, failed to reform the financial sector enough to prevent another financial catastroph­e, supported an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich, presided over a growing divide between rich and poor, and failed to lower the jobless rate.


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McConnell Plan For Debt Ceiling May Be Final Answer, Insiders Say


There is no ending of the Bush-Obama tax cuts for the rich in this deal.

No revenues raised.

$1.5 Trillion in spending cuts of programs which the poor and middle classes rely on.

DOA.
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McConnell Plan For Debt Ceiling May Be Final Answer, Insiders Say


There is no ending of the Bush-Obama tax cuts for the rich in this deal.

No revenues raised.

DOA.
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