Obama's Rolling Stone Interview: President Calls Out 'Irresponsible' Apathetic Dem Voters

To make such a claim means that you have no problem whatsoever with Republicans and consider them your friends, and like the fact that Biden voted against the troops, the elderly, the caregivers for those with ill and disabled family members, those facing homelessness and more due to medical bankruptcy, and the informing of all Americans and arming them against predatory lenders.

It's Joe Biden's voting record with Republicans that defines him.  For you to support that record defines you, too.

"When the law is against you, argue the facts. When the facts are against you, argue the law.  When both are against you, attack the plaintiff" - Dr. Ralf Rinkle
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Obama's Rolling Stone Interview: President Calls Out 'Irresponsible' Apathetic Dem Voters

You're either an political operative paid to confuse readers by spreading disinformation or you're just an id-jit who has no capability of independent thought.  

Or both.

But whatever it is, listing Joe Biden's voting record isn't a "rant", and I'm an old, OLD liberal Democrat.


"When the law is against you, argue the facts. When the facts are against you, argue the law.  When both are against you, attack the plaintiff" - Dr. Ralf Rinkle

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Joe Biden Defines Midterm Election Stakes: Democrats Vs. Tea Party

Nobody expected "magic" from Obama.  

We did expect honesty, transparency, and have been getting nothing but a snow job.

There can be no democracy, no solutions, no functioning government, without honest, without trust, when elected officials are Iying, cutting secret deals and then spinning them as something that they're not.

The fact that you are defending him just tells me that you're either ig.no.rant of the facts, or, you're as corrupt as he is.  Because if you wanted what we all thought we were getting when we put Obama and Democrats into power, you would be joining those who are only doing what he told us we were going to have to do.

During the 2008 campaign, Obama told people that they had to stay involved after the election, that they couldn't just vote for him, go away for four years and expect that he would do what they had hoped. He said that there were powerful interests working against what the people wanted, and if We The People wanted Obama to do our bidding, we would have to MAKE HIM DO IT.

Obama's 'most ardent supporters' forget that those of us who criticize Obama are only doing what he warned us needed to be done. NOT to trust him. 

Since the election (and even before, with his FISA vote), Obama's given us every reason to distrust and doubt him. He's been deceptive, breaking every campaign pledge and promise, conceding the positions of the left (getting nothing in return), and hobbling real Democrats at every turn while making Republicans and Blue Dogs stronger (and harder to beat in 2010 and 2012).

Obama's 'most ardent supporters' (like you) are the most immediate problem, as they help him screw them (& us) over.   They keep his personal numbers high.  That enables Obama to blow them (and all Democratic voters) off.  Until they wake up to these facts, they are their own (& our) worst e n e m ies, and the reason we don't get what we all thought we were voting for when we voted Obama and Democrats into office as the majority power in our government.  
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Joe Biden Defines Midterm Election Stakes: Democrats Vs. Tea Party

This is actually funny coming from Joe Biden; I prefer that my enemies be easily identifiable on the other side and not standing next to me pretending to be a Democrat.

Joe Biden's been called a liberal really just because of his folksy manner.  His voting record tells a different story.  He's been voting with Republicans on landmark bills to screw the People for a long time.

One example of Biden's treachery is his record on the overall Bankruptcy bill five years ago.  His yes vote was shocking enough, but when you look at the amendments that Democrats tried to put into the bill to try to soften the blow to the People of the bill that passed and how Biden voted on them, no informed Democratic voter could ever vote for Biden again, much less think him to be a liberal.  Here are just some of the amendments on that bill that Biden voted against:'

 To reject a provision that would ensure that no elderly people in enough financial trouble to seek bankruptcy protection would lose their homes.


Here's one amendment to the bill that Biden didn't vote on at all: 

To preserve existing bankruptcy protections for individuals experiencing economic distress as caregivers to ill or disabled family members.
That was a simple effort to not strip away existing protections for people who are struggling to stay alive, housed, and fed while taking care of ill or disabled family members.  

 To provide protection for medical debt homeowners.
To exempt debtors whose financial problems were caused by serious medical problems from means testing.

Both amendments  had the simple goal of consumer protection for individuals whose medical debts are the reason they're filing for bankruptcy.

Another amendment to the bill that Biden voted against:

To require enhanced disclosure to consumers regarding the consequences of making only minimum required payments in the repayment of credit card debt, and for other purposes. 

That amendment was a Democratic attempt to balance the aggressive protections given by the bill to predatory lenders by simply requiring credit card companies to give people more prominent warnings about what will happen if they only pay the minimum required payments on those cards. This is a significant problem for many consumers, who do not understand that making the minimum allowed payments on credit cards actually increases their debts on those cards.

To protect service members and veterans from means testing in bankruptcy, to disallow certain claims by lenders charging usurious interest rates to servicemembers, and to allow servicemembers to exempt property based on the law of the State of their premilitary residence.

That amendment was a Democratic request to protect servicemen and women from bankruptcies by predatory lenders charging usurious interest rates, & to allow them the protections of their own state laws in potentially keeping their properties.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/3/6/63144/06015
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Obama's Rolling Stone Interview: President Calls Out 'Irresponsible' Apathetic Dem Voters

Speaking of Joe Biden, I prefer that my enemies be easily identifiable on the other side and not standing next to me pretending to be a Democrat.

Joe Biden's been called a liberal really just because of his folksy manner.  His voting record tells a different story.  He's been voting with Republicans on landmark bills to screw the People for a long time.

One example of Biden's treachery is his record on the overall Bankruptcy bill five years ago.  His yes vote was shocking enough, but when you look at the amendments that Democrats tried to put into the bill to try to soften the blow to the People of the bill that passed and how Biden voted on them, no informed Democratic voter could ever vote for Biden again, much less think him to be a liberal.  Here are just some of the amendments on that bill that Biden voted against:'

 To reject a provision that would ensure that no elderly people in enough financial trouble to seek bankruptcy protection would lose their homes.


Here's one amendment to the bill that Biden didn't vote on at all: 

To preserve existing bankruptcy protections for individuals experiencing economic distress as caregivers to ill or disabled family members.
That was a simple effort to not strip away existing protections for people who are struggling to stay alive, housed, and fed while taking care of ill or disabled family members.  

 To provide protection for medical debt homeowners.
To exempt debtors whose financial problems were caused by serious medical problems from means testing.

Both amendments  had the simple goal of consumer protection for individuals whose medical debts are the reason they're filing for bankruptcy.

Another amendment to the bill that Biden voted against:

To require enhanced disclosure to consumers regarding the consequences of making only minimum required payments in the repayment of credit card debt, and for other purposes. 

That amendment was a Democratic attempt to balance the aggressive protections given by the bill to predatory lenders by simply requiring credit card companies to give people more prominent warnings about what will happen if they only pay the minimum required payments on those cards. This is a significant problem for many consumers, who do not understand that making the minimum allowed payments on credit cards actually increases their debts on those cards.

To protect service members and veterans from means testing in bankruptcy, to disallow certain claims by lenders charging usurious interest rates to servicemembers, and to allow servicemembers to exempt property based on the law of the State of their premilitary residence.

That amendment was a Democratic request to protect servicemen and women from bankruptcies by predatory lenders charging usurious interest rates, & to allow them the protections of their own state laws in potentially keeping their properties.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/3/6/63144/06015
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Obama's Rolling Stone Interview: President Calls Out 'Irresponsible' Apathetic Dem Voters

Obama supporters assumed that Obama would be working to stabilize and improve economic conditions for the People (poor and middle classes), because that's generally what Democrats claim to stand for. By Obama's choices to run the US economy, he's shown that he's interested in stabilizing and improving economic conditions for those at the top. Obama's is a hodge-podge of policies -- Rhetoric for the People and tangible assets for the rich.

Remaining quiet about this only lets the robber barons continue their raid on the American middle class. 

Obama's most ardent supporters are either paid political operatives or just too ig.no.rant to realize that what Obama is doing is NOT in their best interests. The ig.nor.ant Obama supporter comes to believe in Obama by process of elimination -- If Republicans are accusing him of being a socialist, then Obama must be doing something anti-Republican. He's not. Obama is DLC to the bone. A Republican in Democrats' clothing. And that is not good for the average ordinary working American. It's also not good for all other Americans, because it leads to instability of the whole culture.
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Obama's Rolling Stone Interview: President Calls Out 'Irresponsible' Apathetic Dem Voters

Bush and Cheney did what they wanted to do, ignored opposition, Democrats allowed it and didn't use their ability (once they got it in 2006) to stop what Bush/Cheney & Republicans were doing.  Democrats lost plausible deniability then, once they got what they had been using as their excuse for doing nothing the entirety of the Bush-Cheney first 6 years.

Look around at Obama's 'most ardent supporters'.  They're no better than Bushies.  They keep his numbers high so that he can continue to govern in the best interests of the corporations and the very richest.
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