Lynn Woolsey Should Resign as Head of the Progressive Caucus

The 2008 election was a head-to-head between liberals and the DLC (pro-corporate, DINOs). The problem was that the base thought that voting for Obama meant the end of the DLC (Clintons). No sooner did Obama win than he hired all of the Clintonites (DLC), & squeezed out Howard Dean (responsible for the 50-state strategy that won it for Obama) - More on Dean, who is NOT a liberal, later.



Obama stole the Clintons' strategy (to vanquish the left from the Democratic Party, & bring in moderate Republican politicians and voters who can't abide the fringe rightwingers controlling the Republican Party), with some minor tweaks.



The plan is to move the Democratic Party to the right by alienating, marginalizing, breaking up the different interest groups within the liberal base of the Democratic party (civil libertarians, anti-war, pro-choice, etc.), drive them out of the party and bring moderate Republicans (both politicians who can't deal with the Republican Party's base, the evangelical Christians, who are controlling their party & moderate Republican voters, like Susan Eisenhower) into the Democratic Party. To have a centrist party which would govern for 100+ years.



This was the Clintons' plan (and why I think Bill Clinton was so angry with Obama) because Obama stole the plan with a minor change -- Obama is going for a couple of special interest groups within the Republican Party in a bigger way (defense industry hawks) and one of which Clinton could never hope to bring over (Christian Republicans).
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Bart Stupak: Abortion Language In Health Care Bill Is A Must

Who should decide what you need versus what you want?



Who should make that decision in a free society? Who should make that decision in the United States?
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Obama Health Care Speech: It's Time To Act

Nader also swung NH Bush's way & had Gore won NH, Florida would have been irrelevant.

And had Kerry won New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, yada yada.

There is a sense of entitlement, an arrogance, that the political parties have, that we the People buy into, that really doesn't serve us (the People). I happen to think it conflicts with the very core of democracy It's that somehow only the candidates of these two parties are legitimate and "How dare anybody else challenge them?"

If we've learned nothing else from the last 20 years in American politics, it's that when you are not at the table, you're on the menu. And those in power do everything they can do to keep the interests of the individual American citizen off the table.

We make a lot of excuses for Democratic politicians. We hate to admit that Bill Clinton was not a friend to the People, to the little guy, and helped lay the foundation for Republicans' vision of our country & the world, & for what Bush&Cheney managed to do.

For whatever the reasons that Nader ran in either 2000 or 2004, his candidacy resonated with many voters whose interests were being ignored by both parties. So why blame Nader?

Only 50% of those who are eligible to vote in the US actually vote. If everybody voted, perhaps the People's interests would be served instead of the interests of transnational corporations. I think that if that 50% did vote (and voted for the candidate who would govern in their best interests), it would likely be Nader and not Yin (a DLC-controlled Democrat) Yang (a Republican).

We can go around and around (and I think it merits doing, discussing it, considering all of the angles), but I ultimately keep coming back to the same conclusion: A President Gore and a President Kerry just wasn't meant to be. Whatever the reason, neither wanted it enough, neither had the right stuff to make it happen. And, had it happened, perhaps there wouldn't have been a war in Iraq or the annihilation of New Orleans, but there would have been other catastrophes with plenty to complain about, just like during Clinton's time and Carter before him.

"... said the Zen Master"
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Emanuel, Pelosi Meet In Capitol To Chart Health Care Course

Obama ran on words that do not match his actions in office. Obama's numbers are plummeting, he's losing the Democratic base, because people are realizing that they've been l!ed to by Obama.



Since the election (and even before, with his FISA vote), Obama has been deceptive, breaking every campaign pledge and promise, conceding the positions of the left (getting nothing in return), and hobbling real Democrats at every turn while making Republicans and Blue Dogs stronger (and harder to beat in 2010 and 2012).



Obama's most ardent supporters, people like you, are the most immediate problem, as they help him screw them (and us) over. Until they (and you) wake up to these facts, they are the reason we don't get what we all thought we were voting for when we voted Obama and Democrats into office as the majority power in our government.
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Emanuel, Pelosi Meet In Capitol To Chart Health Care Course

Obama's most ardent supporters claim that he's a 'centrist'. They say that he always has been (as his record shows) and that those Democratic voters who voted for him because they believed him to be a populist weren't listening. And those conservatives who insist Obama's a liberal are either stup!d or so far right and unpolitically savvy, they don't even belong svcking up space and time on political discussion threads.



To those who thought that during the 2008 campaign, Obama was a moderate and wasn't trying to deceive anyone, what did you think he meant when you heard him saying during the campaign that people had to stay involved after the election, that they couldn't just vote for him, go away for four years and expect that he would do what they had hoped. He said that there were powerful interests working against what the people wanted, and if We The People wanted Obama to do our bidding, we would have to MAKE HIM DO IT.



What did you think he was talking about? Did you think he was trying to deceive the liberals and progressives into believing that he was one of them?
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Emanuel, Pelosi Meet In Capitol To Chart Health Care Course

We are where we are in this country because liberals in the Democratic Party have caved (and disappeared), capitulating to the conservatives (both in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party) with each passing election cycle.



I think you need to stand back, look at the bigger picture (and the facts of Democratic collaboration) on more than just the healthcare issue to see how we got here (and where we're going) if we follow your advice and continue along the path the DLC has us on. Imagine how much better off we would be now if, during the last Bush years, Democrats in Congress had done what Republicans are doing now instead of indulging in childish wish fulfillment (Barbara Boxer, "I've always wanted to write a novel so now when we are in the minority, not in control, not doing anything else, I wrote two murder mysteries" - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=barbara+boxer&x=0&y=0 | Patrick Leahy, lifelong Batman fan, was cast in the last Batman movie, and indulged other of his Hollywood fantasies - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0495004/ ).
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Emanuel, Pelosi Meet In Capitol To Chart Health Care Course

So, the basic question I have is this: You see how the right rails against any form of change, & stirs the racist undertones as the major fuel to motivate obstruction in their party towards Obama's agendas, from the most minute, to the very important, so, why do you expect him to be able to come in & just completely scrap the whole system of health care & remake it into something NO-ONE ELSE HAS EVEN BEEN ABLE TO GET THIS FAR WITH? It flies in the face of logic. You, I'm PREsuming, lived through the Clinton Presidency, & seen the major defeat he & Hillary suffered on health care, but you just expect Obama to wave his hand &, POOF, message reinforced right , legislation rammed through. Then the big ,"Mission Accomplished!", banner in the background as he unveils his single payer system for all! This is not reality based.

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What is "THIS FAR"?



And what do you think HillaryCare was? What do you think Bill Clinton was (and is), a liberal?



Do you know what the DLC is?



Do you think that Republicans are accurate when they rail against Obama and say he's a liberal and trying to impose socialist policies?
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