Poverty In Suburbs Increasing Rapidly During Economic Downturn

You can't spell the word 'counsel'; how is it you came to counsel them?



I'm sure your friends had an income that qualified their getting the credit to make those purchases. The growth of this nation, with its increased job base and the largest middle class in the history of the world for the past 30 years is the result of credit.



Do you know that richest, too, made purchases like your friends did, and did it without suffering any of the consequences your friends have?



The rich have loopholes and schemes, and the rest of us are left holding the (empty) bag.
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Obama's timidity is myth; he's plenty tough when it comes to standing up to the Democratic base.



Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that ObamaAndDemocrats want what they want. The DLC-controlled DemocraticParty gives lip service to all populist issues (like CivilRights protections, restoring HabeasCorpus, ending the wars, PublicHealthcare, WallStreetReform, environmental & energy issues, etc.).



If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid & relentless in your sales pitch & tactics. It's not that BushAndR0ve were geniuses & knew something that nobody else knew; BushAndR0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politicians & the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans.



Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination) & the oldest, most experienced politicians in US history (including the Rove machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politicians (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching BushAndCheney off the table & have us still reelecting them, not marching on Washington with torches&pitchforks?



ObamaAndDemocrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it.



The trick for them's been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they're merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to deliver on any of our alleged shared objective.
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Democrats have everyone they need, to do the job they were put into power to do for the American people.



During the Bush years, Democrats said if the People wanted change, they had to put Democrats in the majority in Congress. So in 2006, we did. Nothing changed.



Democrats said, "You have to give us more Democrats -- 60 in the Senate". In 2008, we gave them the 60. And the White House.



Obama came into office with the wind at his back. More people voted for him, a black man in America, than ever in the history of the US. They did it because of his ability to persuade that he was going to change the system, end the corporatocracy, lobbyism in government -- He was going to be the People's president, not a corporate t00I.



And no sooner did Obama get elected than he slammed the brakes on the momentum of his election & a filibuster-proof Senate (tentative yet, with 2 senators, Kennedy & Byrd, at d.e.a.t.h's door), Obama did a 180-degree turn on his promises & sloooooowed everything down. To "work in a bipartisan manner with Republicans", after Republicans had already announced they were going to block everything Democrats wanted to do, vote no on everything, in lockstep.



There were many routes to getting real Democratic legislation through, but Obama & the DLC-controlled Democrats in Congress refused to do any of them.



Obama's a DINO, & until his 'most ardent supporters' get that, we're d00med.
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The outcome would have been the same had Nader been in the race or not. Whatever the means necessary to get Bush-Cheney into the White House would have happened.



If the means to getting Bush-Cheney into office required a close election and Nader not been running, some other means would have been used.



For pity's sake, the CIA was working on GOP absentee ballots in the weeks leading up to election day in Florida. Jeb Bush & Katherine Harris had been working for two years to purge voters from the polls. Close to 200,000 ballots were never tallied, never even examined, due to undervotes.



Do people forget all the different ways that that election was gamed by the GOP? And that's just in Florida, and just the ways that we learned about because of legal proceedings in the post-election days.



Don't beat yourself up (or Nader); Nader is now just a handy excuse to keep the status quo in place, and the People in line, forever agreeable to voting for whoever they believe to be the lesser of two ev!ls.
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As a very old liberal Democrat, I tell you that the seeds for a complete financial meltdown were planted before Bush-Cheney & during each administration going back to Reagan (& actually, before that, back to Nixon).



We were put on this path by a push for unrestrained & unregulated capitalism. Corporations have managed to game our political system, & done it so effectively that the two-party system competes to serve corporate interests while defending that service as, "What's good for GM (corporations) is good for America (WeThePeople)".



Democrats (controlled by the DLC, & that's important to remember) & Republicans are corporate t00Is. Like siblings competing for the attention & approval (campaign contributions) of a parent, Republicans & DLC-controlled Democrats try to outdo each other in delivering for their real constituent, BigCorporations. The trick for them's been to make it seem as if they were really working on behalf of WeThePeople.



Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama & Democrats were for strong regulations on banks, WallStreet, investigations, prosecutions, restitution of what's been robbed from the middle class & poor for the past 30+ years, environmental clean-up, clean, sustainable renewable energy (& that isn't nuclear), putting an end to the wars & occupation of Iraq & Afghanistan, affordable, quality universal healthcare (which ObamaCare is not), and more. The DLC-controlled DemocraticParty gives lip service to these & all populist issues, because like the RepublicanParty, the DLC works for the benefit of transnational corporations.



"Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we've had
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I don't agree with the scrubbing of NJTomatoes73's comments, but the comment itself is an ig.nor.ant one.



While most Democratic voters support liberal opinions (as do most voters, when informed of the facts), the Democratic establishment is not liberal; it's pro-corporate pro-CORPORATE, PRO-CORPORATE. And anti-populist.



If you were alive pre-Reagan, you would know that liberal policies were what created the greatest middle class in the history of the world. All that Republicans and conservatism gave us was fear over commies, and the worst in human behavior. Blacklists and union-busting is the result of the worst in human nature.
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If you don't want to vote for Democrats, there are other alternatives besides sitting out the election or voting for Republicans.



There are other candidates running as independents, from Green to Libertarian, in just about every race.
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