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he does pay minimum. legal or not isn't the real issue. I think your real problem is they don't look like you! now I won't be wasting any more time on you so good bye.

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You call me a racist, run away and expect that's the end of it?  Not by a long shot, friend.  

Immigration to the US is a problem when the people emigrating are competing with Americans for work and driving wages down.  

I've long ago dismissed commenters who base their opinions on apocryphal people they know; it's impossible to have an honest discussion that way.  My experience is contrary to your "neighbor's" - Every gardener I've ever interviewed (for bids on work) hires illegals and pays them cash under the table, a flat rate for a day's work, and it's nowhere near minimum wage.  They are housed in flophouses where they sleep many to a room, and they tend to send the bulk of the money they've made back to their families in Mexico.  The money leaves the country - We don't even get the benefit of that money spirring American businesses.  

I ask you again, what are out of work Americans to do to survive?  
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Let me also add that I don't know anyone who has said that when they grew up they wanted to be a garbage man.  Yet, we pay people very well to do that job because we value it.  We need it.  In order not to be overrun with rats, and disease, and stench, and filth.  
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What is it about them that's different from the Irish or Jews or Turks?  

About a hundred, hundred fifty years.  

Let's sort out what kind of immigrants we're talking about - Legal versus illegal.

Any immigration bill that gets passed is going to require employers to hire legals only.  Your neighbor is not going to be able to get away with hiring the same kinds of people he's hiring now.  He'll have to pay, at least, minimum wage and he'll pass that cost onto his customers.  

If you and your neighbor prefer the status quo, what do you suggest out of work Americans do?  Emigrate to another country, like illegals do here?  Or turn to a life of crime, robbing you and your neighbor, perhaps winding up in prison where you'll be paying a privatized prison system (for profit) bloated expenses?

What people need are living wages.
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Lie number 3) U.S. corporatio­ns are over-taxed­.

Example: Republican presidenti­al candidate Tim Pawlenty

We have the highest corporate tax rate, or one of them, in the OECD nations.

Actually, as measured in terms of share of GDP, the U.S. has the lowest corporate tax burden of any OECD nation. While the official tax bracket may seems high -- 35 percent -- if one takes into account various loopholes and tax dodges, the effective tax rate is considerab­ly lower, or around 27 percent, which comes in as slightly higher than average for OECD members. And according to ace tax report David Cay Johnston, the bigger you are, the less you pay -- the effective tax rate for the biggest U.S. corporatio­ns is only about 15 percent.

There you have it, for future handy reference. Poor people do pay taxes, the biggest corporatio­ns don't pay enough, and the United States, as a whole, has a low tax burden overall.
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Lie number 2) The U.S. suffers from high taxes.

Example: The Wall Street Journal's Stephen Moore:

What all this means is that in the late 1980s, the U.S. was nearly the lowest taxed nation in the world, and a quarter century later we're nearly the highest.

Totally untrue. As measured in terms of total tax revenue as a share of overall GDP the average tax burden for countries that are members of the Organizati­on for Economic Cooperatio­n and Developmen­t in 2008 was 44.8 percent. The U.S. -- 26.1 percent. The U.S. pays less taxes, as a share of GDP, than Denmark, Sweden, Italy, Austria, France, Netherland­s, Germany, United Kingdom, Canada, Spain, Switzerlan­d and Japan.

Furthermor­e, as Bruce Bartlett explains in detail in The New York Times the current U.S. federal tax burden, measured, again, as a share of GDP, is only 14.8 percent -- a 60-year low.

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Hit the streets.  Start organizing for 2014 now.  You have to not only be willing to put your body on the line, but to actually do it; put your body on the line.  You have to risk your worst fears (a Romney winning, a Teabagger winning, getting arrested, etc.) by peaceful protest, by voting for third party candidates and not returning an incumbent Democrat to Congress.  

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/once_again_--_death_of_the_liberal_class_20121112

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_im_voting_green_20121029/

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/criminalizing_dissent_20120813/

There's never going to be a good time, a better time, a safer time, to dissent.  It's all going to get worse.  Now is the safest, best time (before the election would have been better).
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Not to mention putting through an immigration reform bill that also will take jobs from Americans.
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