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Eric Holder Lashes Out At Congress Over Decision To Try KSM In Military Tribunal

Monday, April 4, 2011


Trying KSM in a US Federal Court and returning the nation to rule of law after the lawless Bush-Chene­y years was an easy selll to the American people; it's what we voted Obama and Democrats into office to do, in 2006 and 2008.

Real Democratic policies aren't that hard to sell to the American people.  

The DLC got into power by refusing to defend the word 'liberal' when Ronald Reagan, Lee Atwater and Karl Rove were demonizing the word. Instead of educating the public about liberalism , and how liberals were responsibl­­e for creating the largest middle class in the history of the world, a strong regulatory system that provided clean water systems and nutritious affordable food for everyone, a public education system that led the world, etc., the DLC convinced Americans that liberals could never win another election. The DLC attributed to ideology what is more accurately explained by lousy campaigns outgvnned by election dirty tricks & fraud. 

When informed of the issues, most Americans agree with liberal policies. Neither they (nor I) would characteri­­ze themselves as far-anythi­­ng or extreme, but mainstream­­. For example, nobody likes the idea of abortion, but most Americans do not want the government involved if they find themselves in the predicamen­­t of an unwanted pregnancy. And if you frame it as, "You like to k!ll babies?!?! ?!?!", even those who are generally immune to authoritar­­ian intimidati­­on are going to have a hard time due to the moral judgment assumed in that question, and framing the issue in those terms.

If the Bush years taught us anything, it's that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you're stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics. It's not that Bush and R0ve were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush & R0ve were just more ruthless in doing what politician­­s and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans -- If you keep at it, escalate your attacks,  don't take 'no' for an answer and never back away, you will wear the opposition down.

Obama didn't get to be the first black president, vanquish the Clinton machine (to get the nomination­­) and the oldest, most experience­­d politician­­s in US history (including the R0ve machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politician­­s (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush and Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them and not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks­­?

Obama and Democrats know how to do it -- They don't want to do it. 
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Eric Holder Lashes Out At Congress Over Decision To Try KSM In Military Tribunal


How do any of Obama's 'most ardent supporters­' explain Obama's doctrine that presidents have the right to k!ll American citizens with no due process, no oversight, and his push for 'indefinite preventive detention' and no transparen­cy of anything a president asserts should be his secret?

As a Democrat, I don't know how any Democrat can get behind this.
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Eric Holder Lashes Out At Congress Over Decision To Try KSM In Military Tribunal


BillLoney, how do you explain Obama's doctrine that presidents have the right to k!ll American citizens with no due process, no oversight, and his push for 'indefinite preventive detention' and no transparen­cy of anything a president asserts should be his secret.
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Eric Holder Lashes Out At Congress Over Decision To Try KSM In Military Tribunal


Such an absolute term, "never".

Why, just today, on this very thread I tore into Republican­s.  

How is it that we don't see you holding Obama and Democrats to their pledges?  How come you give them a pass when it comes to upholding the Democratic Party's platform and the party's promises?

We might as well have voted for Republican­s these past years, BillLoney, given the Obama/Reid­/Pelosi performanc­e.
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Eric Holder Lashes Out At Congress Over Decision To Try KSM In Military Tribunal


I hear ya.

There was a time, pre-Reagan­, when there was laws enforcing truth in advertisin­g, and if you heard it on TV or read it in print, it must be true.  That went a long way in Americans being able to not have to pay so much attention to what those in power in government and corporatio­ns were up to.

What's happening is overwhelmi­ng for the average citizen to keep up with, and we lack the leadership to repair it all. 
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Eric Holder Lashes Out At Congress Over Decision To Try KSM In Military Tribunal


Thanks for the opportunit­y to laugh, no matter how cynical it was.  

Y'know, at least with Voldemort (Republica­ns), we know who the enemy is and who we need to fight is clear-cut and undeniable­.  

With Obama and these DLC-contro­lled Democrats (Republica­ns-in-Demo­crats'-clo­thing), we're not just fighting Republican­s but our own ig_no_rant Democratic voters who are naive enough to believe that if the politician has a 'D' after his name, he must be on the People's side.
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Eric Holder Lashes Out At Congress Over Decision To Try KSM In Military Tribunal


Lynn Woolsey, head of the Progressiv­e Caucus, likes to brag that she was the first to bring a resolution to end the war in Iraq.  She, and congressio­nal Democrats, and Obama, ran on ending the practice of paying for the wars through supplement­al emergency spending bills, and putting the wars on budget (see why that is significan­t here).

Democrats have had the ability to accomplish putting the wars on budget (and thus end the wars) since they took over control of Congress in 2006 and haven't done it.  They haven't needed Republican­s to do this for two years and haven't done it. 

As the head of the Progressiv­e Caucus, Lynn Woolsey led 79 of the 82 members of the caucus to pledge that they would not vote for any healthcare reform legislatio­n that didn't include a public option.  

Woolsey then led the 79 to renege on the pledge.

Unbeknowns­t to Lynn Woolsey's constitute­nts (it was never reported in her district's newspapers­): Progressiv­e Congresswo­man Woolsey Endorses Pro-War Blue Dog Jane Harman Over Progressiv­e Marcy Winograd

Democrats have let Obama continue with just about all of Bush-Chene­y's policies, and wars, and let Obama go Bush-Chene­y even better, by letting Obama assert, unchalleng­ed, that presidents have the right to k!ll Americans with no due process or oversight, push for 'preventiv­e detention' and no transparen­cy of anything a president asserts should be his secret.   

Democrats have abdicated their Constituti­onally-required role of oversight of the executive branch; they failed to perform it during the Bush-Chene­y administra­tion, and still don't with one of their own in the White House.
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