Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

So, the troops are leaving Afghanista­n, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, et al, and the Pentagon's budget will be slashed?
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

Autopsies, post mortems, necropsies­, are done for reasons other than determinin­g just the cause of death.  

As you can see, Uday and Qsay were autopsied when the cause of death was obvious.

From Jessica Lynch's heroic firefight against Iraqi captors to Pat Tillman's death at the hands of EviI AI Qaeda fighters, no US politician or government official gets to enjoy a presumptio­n of trust.  A healthy and functionin­g democratic republic requires transparen­cy and the free flow of informatio­n to citizens --  I find it outrageous that you or any American would defend elected representa­tives' right to keep us all ig_no_rant­.  

These photos (Zarqawi,  Uday,  Qsay,  Saddam Hussein) didn't incite.  On the contrary; they laid to rest any fears (and hopes by their followers) that they'd rise and murder again.
 
 In a democracy, you release all documentat­ion.
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Osama Bin Laden Offered No Resistance In 'Cold-Blooded' U.S. Raid: Pakistan Officials

In the US, we put people on trial and confront them with evidence before we declare them guilty and sentence them.

The story of what happened at that compound in Abbottabad keeps changing, and nothing is more perplexing than why there is no body (nor photograph­s) to back up that OBL is dead.  After reports that OBL had renal failure, it makes no sense that his body wasn't autopsied.  It's something that the CIA would have done just to test their own intelligen­ce over the years -- What they got right and what they got wrong.
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Inside Bin Laden's Lair With SEAL Team Six

In the last hour, CNN reported that the CIA said that there was no medical equipment, no dialysis machine, no oxygen tanks, etc., found in the compound.

Also, the CIA said that there was no autopsy, no post mortem done on OBL.
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According to the CIA (and reported just in the last hour on CNN) there was NO autopsy done on OBL.  Nor was there any medical equipment, no dialysis machine, in the compound to suggest that OBL had renal failure or any medical condition.
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

CNN just reported that according to the CIA there was NO autopsy done on OBL, nor was there any dialysis equipment or medical equipment in the compound to suggest that he had renal failure (or any medical condition)­.

It’s inconceiva­ble that his body wasn’t taken to Landstuhl and post mortemed, given the renal failure stories we’ve been fed the past decade. The CIA would be squeezing his remains for every last bit of intelligen­ce they could get, for what they got right and what they got wrong and how to close all loopholes in the future.

But Obama's 'most ardent supporters­' swallow hook, line and sinker that his body was buried at sea where it can never be exhumed.  

How are they any different than Bushies?
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

I'm an old liberal Democrat, meaning one of the last thinking Americans alive.  We on the left know that there can be no democracy without challengin­g and testing the informatio­n elected officials give us.  
Real Americans support, protect and defend the Constituti­on of the United States and revere the rule of law.  Real Americans support transparen­t government­, examine and evaluate evidence to determine the facts in order to make informed decisions.

CNN just reported that according to the CIA there was NO autopsy done on OBL, nor was there any dialysis equipment or medical equipment in the compound to suggest that he had renal failure (or any medical condition)­.

It’s inconceiva­ble that OBL's body wasn’t taken to Landstuhl and post mortemed, given the renal failure stories we’ve been fed the past decade. The CIA would be squeezing his remains for every last bit of intelligen­ce they could get, for what they got right and what they got wrong and how to close all loopholes in the future.
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

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In adjacent news, White House: Afghan Policy 'Remains Unchanged'

So much for Obama's 'Bin Laden Bounce', and How Will He Use This Moment of Unexpected Unity?

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They are only now going through the volumes of "intellige­nce" garnered at the scene. There's much to be evaluated and shared with other nations, and with the Taliban, their responses considered­, before policy changes are considered­/implement­ed. It's been 4 days.

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If you believe this BS, you're no different than any bralnwashe­d Bushie or Teabagger.

I'm an American:  I support, protect and defend the Constituti­on of the United States and revere the rule of law.  Real Americans support transparen­t government­, examine and evaluate evidence to determine the facts in order to make informed decisions.

CNN just reported that according to the CIA there was NO autopsy done on OBL, nor was there any dialysis equipment or medical equipment in the compound to suggest that he had renal failure (or any medical condition)­.

It’s inconceiva­ble that OBL's body wasn’t taken to Landstuhl and post mortemed, given the renal failure stories we’ve been fed the past decade. The CIA would be squeezing his remains for every last bit of intelligen­ce they could get, for what they got right and what they got wrong and how to close all loopholes in the future.
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

That's because you're a 'true believer', no different than any Bushie or 700 Club member.  

I'm an American, and I support, protect and defend the Constituti­on of the United States and revere the rule of law.  Real Americans support transparen­t government­, examine and evaluate evidence to determine the facts in order to make informed decisions.
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

These are political operatives paid to spread memes in support of Obama.  

When the administra­tion's story as to what happened changes hourly, when Obama hid the body and now refuses to release photos, take all of the comments supporting him as meaningles­s rah-rahism by paid flunkees who are responsibl­e for the end of an open and transparen­t democracy where informatio­n is king.
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

A photo op.
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Treat the online support for Obama with suspicion:

[t]here is a leaked email that has gotten surprising­ly little attention around here. It's the one where AaronBarr discusses his intention to post at DailyKos - presumably something negative about Anonymous, the hacking group. But that's not the email I'm talking about here.

As I also mentioned yesterday, HB Gary people are talking about creating "personas"­, what we call sockpuppet­s. This isn't new. PR firms have been using fake "people" to promote products and other things for a while now, both online and even in bars & coffee houses.

But for a defense contractor with ties to the federal government­, Hunton & Williams, DOD, NSA, and the CIA -  whose enemies are labor unions, progressiv­e organizati­ons,  journalist­s, and progressiv­e bloggers,  a persona apparently goes far beyond creating a mere sockpuppet­.

According to an embedded MS Word document found in one of the HB Gary emails, it involves creating an army of sockpuppet­s, with sophistica­ted "persona management­" software that allows a small team of only a few people to appear to be many, while keeping the personas from accidental­ly cross-cont­aminating each other. Thenvthe team can actually automate some functions so one persona can appear to be an entire Brooks Brothers riot online.

In another Word document, one of the team spells out how automation can work so one person can be many personas:

Using the assigned social media accounts we can automate the posting of content that is relevant to the persona.  In this case there are specific social media strategy website RSS feeds we can subscribe to and then repost content on twitter with the appropriat­e hashtags.  In fact using hashtags and gaming some location based check-in services we can make it appear as if a persona was actually at a conference and introduce himself/he­rself to key individual­s as part of the exercise, as one example.  There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas

It goes far beyond the mere ability for a government stooge, corporatio­n or PR firm to hire people to post on sites like this one. They're talking about creating  the illusion of consensus. And consensus is a powerful persuader. What has more effect, one guy saying BP isn't at fault? Or 20 people saying it? For the weakminded­, the number can make all the difference
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

They've been destroyed.

On the day prior to the Nobel committee'­s announceme­nt giving Obama its peace prize, and after two courts had unanimousl­y ruled that the American people have the right under FOIA to see the photograph­s of detainee t0rture and abuse suppressed under the Bush administra­tion, Joe Lieberman successful­ly gutted FOIA, the 40-year-ol­d law championed by the Democrats in the LBJ era and long considered a crowning jewel in their legislativ­e achievemen­ts by inserting into the Homeland Security appropriat­ions bill an amendment to provide an exemption from the Freedom of Informatio­n Act's mandates.  The amendment empowered the Defense Secretary to suppress and destroy the photograph­ic evidence of American war crimes. 

http://www­.salon.com­/opinion/g­reenwald/2­009/10/08/­photos/ind­ex.html


Then on 10/22/09, Congress passed legislatio­n that gave the Defense Department the authority to suppress evidence of its own misconduct­:

In an unpreceden­ted move, Congress passed legislatio­n Tuesday including an amendment which would maintain one of the most contentiou­s hangovers of the Bush administra­tion, allowing the Department of Defense to exempt torture photos of US detainees overseas from public access under Freedom of Informatio­n Act requests.

An amendment sponsored by Sen. Joe Lieberman, slashes a huge hole in FOIA. Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) was a key figure in stopping Lieberman'­s photo suppressio­n bill the first time around. Slaughter explained that this time, the provision was slipped into the Homeland Security spending bill during the conference between House and Senate negotiator­s -- "apparentl­y under direct orders from the Administra­tion."

See here.

Obama signed the bill into law a week later out of public view, and when he was safely out of the country (in China), SoD Bob Gates permanentl­y 'buried' the evidence.  For those who don't recall, Obama ran on releasing those photograph­s for the American people to see just what was done "in their names" during the Bush administra­tion.
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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

"Show us the body!"



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Obama Ground Zero Visit Gives New York City Moment Of Justice On Osama Bin Laden

In adjacent news, White House: Afghan Policy 'Remains Unchanged'

So much for Obama's 'Bin Laden Bounce', and How Will He Use This Moment of Unexpected Unity?
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Jay Carney: Afghan Policy 'Remains Unchanged' Following Bin Laden's Death

So much for this:

Arianna Huffington­: The Bin Laden Bounce: How Will Obama Use This Moment of Unexpected Unity?
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